Yeah, the “revamps” that some specs have been getting are actually making them feel worse to play. Would be nice to have devs that actually play the game to work on classes.
A flat % nerf isn’t something I’m worried about. It doesn’t feel necessary and I agree with the statement that the underperforming healers should be buffed instead, but I’m not super worried about it. For the numbers I have, 3% isn’t really going to be a big deal.
The talent changes though… those are kind of concerning.
I am very concerned about the issue of changes… (that nobody asked for).
And on top of the nerfs…
I hope they give us a buff soon… and watch out for our “dps”.
Because healing, we have enough.
But the dps is more punishing to deal with than other healers (or at least compared to the prevoker who does a lot of dps with one breath).
Will never understand how this game is balanced. It must just be a dart board or spin the wheel.
Warching prevokers do insane dps with 3 spells (80% being 1 spell) while still doing decent hps due very impactful spells that don’t require constant uptime.
Vs resto druid who have to use 12 spells to do less damage and have the hps suffer massivly to even try.
Especialy with them almost killing protector of pack, and natures vigil is interesting option, but not enough.
“Balanced”
What annoys me the most is that for example in AA this week.
I tried going +21 with rdruid and in the big pull of the tree I had to juggle my moonfire to explosives, healing my teammates (mostly prehots and when I could regrowth from wasps) and dps with boomy/cat.
Despite all this, we managed to defeat the pull, but I ended up with 57k dps… but my dps tops were trinkets and potions (besides sunfire which was 2/3rd).
In the same way, a prevoker friend, went to a 22+ AA and made the same pull and what a surprise… I saw him spamming few spells and without so much effort. In the end, he managed to do an impressive 72k without trying too hard, literally his damage was through breath as well as breath healing and his hot.
To give you an idea, the maximum dps I managed to do before decaying was 68-74k and in my friend’s case it did 92/96k.
So logically… the healer with the most rotation to do dps should do little damage and the one with the least rotation should do a lot of damage.
Or that I understand behind the logic of the manager or managers of the class “balance”
Agreed. There’s no rhyme or reason to the complexity of a class vs power of a class. Blizzard is basically silent with an implied “because” attitude. It’s really sad how the company has chosen to interact with it’s fan base. Now if mobs come in and act irrational then they bend the knee whether it’s warranted or not. I mean I know money is everything to these corporations but at least try to be fair.
I guess because we are so strong. They tried buffing the other healing classes but it’s still enough. I am happy that they didn’t just resort to nerfing us right away. It’s pretty funny though because we just got a ten percent healing buff not too long ago.
They really need to start using ML and Deep Learning models for this stuff. There is MORE than enough data. They could write the book on behaviour in mmos with it… but I guess that’s too costly…
Unfortunately, the druid only has problems when it comes to strong or unexpected damage…
Not having a very feasible emergency button makes it feel somewhat complicated.
That, without counting our regular/low dps that we have…
At least we’re not worse than Hpriest or MW in dps as a healer…
I still wish they would stop nerfing other strong healers in healing…instead of their dps…
Because I think we were the only ones nerfed in healing and dps ![]()
Indeed. I don’t think this is the right approach either. I think they need to buff the other healers and leave the good ones alone.
Bring the low ones up, and not the big ones down.
It’s classic behavior though.
Yes but historical we have ALWAYS topped meters. Thats nothing new. But the reason we do that is because our hots are always going off on people. But if you check out those stats then you see tons of the healing is Over healing. It just is.
We have a limited set of abilities to just power heal someone up. Most of the time our hots are just reversing the dmg players are taking so that they don’t loose life and gain a little at a time until either we or some one cast a big heal on them. then rejuve goes to Over healing. We do have great talents that let us save a bunch of people at once and bring there life up. but those are reactive.
Before we even start the fight we start stacking hots on people and try to keep them going buy seeing who is taking dmg. we just have all around skills and thats what makes us good, but we waist lots of Heals and Mana to just over heal.
I love my druid healer… I have a Shaman, a paladin and I have a Priest. two of those classes need major work, Holy priest just bits right now compared to what they normally can do. But playing all those classes over the years I can say. even in Dragonflight. Druids are a proactive, health bar watcher. my other classes i just wait till the person takes a couple hits and react.
So druids are as balanced as ive seen them in a long time, maybe since TBC, and I’m glad. I think it’s sill to nerf them as really its just Shamans and priest that need some major love.
I am afraid this post does not support your argument very well… maybe you can elaborate.
It seems like you are saying druids are always top HPS, therefore they shouldn’t get nerfed lol…and you are saying their healing isn’t meaningful healing because they also tend to be higher on overheals?
For my part, it makes me feel a little uncomfortable, it’s the issue of nerfs to the dps.
Keep in mind the following, the Rdruids and we heal well. I don’t deny that, but we healers also have to do dps, whether we like it or not… and that has been nerfing us to the ground!
And even if you say that we have a lot of HPS, as they say around here it is proactive and there should be no problems with controlling it since it could almost be compared to the disc priest (but not obviously).
But to do dps, we have to change form which makes us lose time and on top of that we have the risk of causing the death of the team or making the key burn due to the lack of dps.
We don’t have the facility like other healers to dps and heal while maintaining the current form.
Resto druid is the most represented healer in every key level bracket. It’s like you are complaining that they aren’t s tier in every facet of their toolkit.
For my part, I just find myself a little annoyed about the nerfs focused on the Rdruid’s dps.
Since others have received buffs or have not been nerfed at all.
Like the Prevoker.
Unfortunately, it will get to a point where a healer’s dps is very relevant to high M+.
And obviously or currently.
The most powerful healer in healing and dps is obviously the evoker.
And this was the only one that received almost no nerfs and more was for the Rdruid who was the only one that competed with him (he still does, but to a lesser extent than before).
i have a personal theory that they didn’t like an old vanilla class out-shining the new one…which i guess is understandable for a new xpac…
but i agree - the other classes receiving buffs only to end up where we are after nerfs…that’s horrible, why are players okay with that? wouldn’t monks liked to be up there with us pre-nerf? ![]()
Wish I could figure out the magical way to top meters. I’m always 20k hps below the pvoker and holy priest in mythic raiding lol.
maybe I just explained it poorly as I was really tired. sorry if so… my point was alot of druid healing is just overhealing so they can top meters as they always have but we lose a lot to Over healing. Im not saying its meaningless but a lot of out healing gets stepped on was all. in raids I mean. But our healing also keeps people fry dying for the others to get around to stepping on us.
Feral is next.
R druid might be at the top in healing output, but that’s always getting stepped on by others in raids… so I agree… nerfing them was a dumb move
It’s not so much a nerf though, but a rebalancing with new toolkit