These systems have made a lot of my experiences in this game pretty toxic (Like most of this forum). So yeah, I don’t like them.
Ultimately its the players fault though for relying on these automated systems.
So… 2 dungeons instead of 1 makes you want to unsub?
Okay.
People forgot how to be people behind their computer screens unfortunately
Doing content that I don’t want to, multiple times, every week, just to improve some number on a website so that I can access content easier makes me want to unsub. Its not fun, which is the point of a GAME
Except in your scenario, you’re running your own key, so your io is fairly irrelevant.
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Bit if you are doing multiple then that is enough to do your own 14-15 each week is it not? Thus removing your need to concern yourself with io ever again.
Yeah well see, if I were to only judge you based on logs last patch then you’d look like a pretty garbo player. But I don’t judge players on their logs or io score
Idk man all my experiences have been pretty positive.
I make a route, invite some peeps, smash the dungeon and grab some loot. Bunch of 15+ in time, some fails, no leavers no ragers.
It is my experience that toxicity comes from people that aren’t given a good experience from their leader. If you know wtf you are doing, mark targets, call kicks, and provide a smooth run ppl will be happy and chill.
If you dont know wtf you are doing, pull too slow, pull too much and die, pull the wrong packs and die, ppl get mad and rage and leave.
You aren’t forced to do anything though? Who is forcing you exactly? That’s your own brain telling you it must be done. If it’s guild rules, find another guild?
Not to mention if you are in a high level raid environment. You should have no problem at all getting a key done. Your guild should be pushing you to do keys to gear up so you can progress faster however.
I can promise you any player alive can hit 12/12 heroic without ever stepping foot in a M+. If you are doing it to gain strength to your toon. That is your decision though.
My logs last patch were excellent. They were not on DK, they were on rogue.
My last logs on DK were in uldir, which were even more disgusting. Feel free to be triggered by those if you want.
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I’m glad your experiences are positive. Mine have not been, even when following the same steps as you. Maybe its an Alliance thing, not sure. But its enough that its completely turned me off of the mythic+ system
You could have a rank 1 parse on literally every fight in the entire xpac and I wouldn’t care. Not sure which of my posts have implied that I actually care about my parses considering I am constantly saying that I do not
Nah, I’ve had an alliance char too actually.
Like I said, be a good leader, provide a smooth run, nobody will typically get mad.
You guy’s just have a way smaller PVE player base. I always recommend to people who want to raid or do M+ to join Horde. Just way way way more keys up at all times to apply too.
Alliance is pretty casual from my experience. Nothing wrong with that, just facts. I attempted to hang with you guys for like 5 months of legion and then said yea never mind on this. I could tell the difference the second I set foot into a Raid or Mythic+.
They don’t. A lot of raiders that want their weekly cache do guild runs where they don’t have to worry about anything this dude is complaining about.
Could tell the difference when my friend and I stepped into 0s!
These ones
You can’t simultaneously try to flame my logs and then claim you don’t care when you realise I didnt play DK in EP and had like 99th percentile average the last tier I did main DK.
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Literally no one, not a soul, that has actually played with me has said that I’m garbage or bad at the game. The only people who have ever called me bad have never even played with me. Which again proves my point that these systems and websites are extremely toxic and should be removed. But hey, thats my opinion, you are free to have a different (which you clearly do).
On that note I’m finally gonna go to bed. This thread has definitely been interesting though
IO exists as a tool not to push ‘bads’ away, but to help you get people who are far more likely to know what they are doing. Just because someone might not have a high IO doesn’t mean they are terrible obviously. Some might have only done 1 key on an alt a week, some might only do a few random keys a week and one high one, and there’s probably more niche situations.
I know no one likes wasting their time either. But even with a high IO score it doesn’t mean someone is a professional key runner. They might just be going with friends who are okay with carrying a bit. It’s not a perfect tool. If you truly want to rule out ‘bads’ just look at every persons parses I guess.
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In this thread if your io is low your garbage apparently though. Which is what I’m arguing lol
Your right no one is forcing. It’s only the nagging urge that drives us all in the back of our brains to progress. You know the reason we play the game.
However you did skip over the chest thing. How come mythic plus gets one and raiders no longer gets it’s equivalent. I remember when we would get a nice gear upgrade in the follower quests and that was nice.
They recently fixed it with upgrading the gear near to the end of the raid. However is it really a fix when you look at a finite amount of gear drops vs a infinite amount with another chance in the box.
True, but some raider’s don’t have the same free time “non-raid” sceduale as their guild. So I kind of know where he is coming from.