Yes, what does the grandfather of all RPGs have anything to do with WoW.
ROFL
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Yes I want to know how a game that has NOTHING to do with WoW comes into play in this discussion.
Typically the grind is what makes those with little time or not as much to offer to put aside to grind it out. Eventually they’ll get it if they do the respective dailies for it. Right now I’m ready to unlock Kul Tirans, Zandalari, and Mag’har. (As I plan to race swap my alliance toon to unlock them after finishing the respective quests on Horde.)
I really find it tedious that reputations is the only way we unlock these Allied races. (Most notably the void elves who HAD NO INVOLVEMENT WHAT SO EVER to the Argussian Reach.) I would’ve preferred more interesting ways to unlock these races.
Hell; I’d kill to have an old god race as a neutral race completely unlockable by a series of puzzles and quests that leads to them being unlocked.
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Reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit is it? Let me go real slowly for you.
Me respond other guy. Other guy say new gamer no like old RPG. Me point to oldest RPG. You get now?
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The issue is actually that I understand what you’re trying to do all too well. The issue for you, at least.
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Right. You said, and I quote, “putting races behind a rep grind is specifically the very antithesis of what makes an RPG.” There’s no such website or book that says that. If there is, please provide it.
Who did? Neall? No he didn’t.
Why? The rules and story of DnD has nothing to do with WoW.
No. You’re still talking nonsense.
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I’m saying it, using simple logic derived from what an RPG is and therefor what an RPG is not.
Aaaaaand we’re back to reading comprehension not being your strong suit. Why not go back to the very first post of mine to which you responded and read what I quoted in it.
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Why would you refer to me as the other guy? My “reading comprehension” is not the problem when you talk nonsense.
Unless you’re the Matcauthon I never referred to you as other guy. Either you’re being intentionally obtuse at this point or you are in fact Matcauthon on a different posting avatar and are derailing this discussion on purpose.
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" There are several forms of RPG. The original form, sometimes called the [tabletop role-playing game] (TRPG), is conducted through discussion, whereas in [live action role-playing games] (LARP) players physically perform their characters’ actions. In both of these forms, an arranger called a game master usually decides on the rules and setting to be used, acting as referee, while each of the other players plays the role of a single character."
In this case, Blizzard is the GM, deciding the rules and setting to be used.
An excerpt from this Wikipedia Page:
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It’s neither. I just got the post where you replied to Neall and Matcauthon mixed up and I’m not derailing anything.
…and if a GM/DM (Game Master or Dungeon Master, depending on the game) said you needed to grind hours of a module (what certain pre packaged adventures were called) before you could roll an elf or a halfling, people would tell that GM/DM were that requirement could go.
Which was why, unless you wanted to play something really game breaking…like a dragon, vampire, or other overpowered race (compared to the standard fare that the fantasy races that characters we are playing in wow are), there are no hoops or adjustments made for them.
None worth mentioning, without getting too into the weeds about the mechanics of those games.
Sure, the wow devs are the GM/DM in this case, but the rule is silly, because they didn’t create a new race. They made color changes for existing ones and said “you gotta grind in the temple of elemental evil (shout out for you old timers! : D) for weeks before you can play them!”
People bought the game, like the old players did, so having them grind on top of that when no one had to for actual original races is just plain silly. It’s metric padding, plain and simple.
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People were also told they could get level 120 when they bought the game but it wasn’t automatically handed to them when they logged on.
And like you pointed out, this isn’t a new race. There’s no starting zone and no new skeleton. This is a new system and this system requires you to be exalted with an allied race before you can play them.
You cannot play the character you want to play, until you play this character until a point you unlock the character you do.
Its not a setting thing at all, its a rule. A poor Rule to the game, Its stunting the setting for many players.
If a GM did that at the table i would wonder if they had even thought though what they where saying ![:stuck_out_tongue:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/stuck_out_tongue.png?v=6" ":stuck_out_tongue:")
If you want to experience the world or the setting as a race, You may be locked out of that until blizzard decide you have experienced enough of it.
So you can start again, Do everything you just did but now you do not get to experience it as the character you wanted to.
Its not Very RPG at all, of coarse there are exceptions, but in this case. This is nothing for the players, and is all for the blizzard Time waster.
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Apples to oranges.
…called padding the metrics. You pay more for the game, and then you pad the bottom line for them by adding to /played for them by grinding out cosmetics.
They may have gotten a slightly better reception if these were new races, not reskins…but I doubt it.
Having players have a dump character just to get to the real character they want to play is a dumb idea. It sounds dumb when you think about it, even dumber when you say it out loud, really dumb if you are telling it to another person. How anyone managed to say it with a straight face at a business meeting as anything other than a metric padding tool and not get laughed at tells you all you need to know.
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Not really because people keep saying that Blizzard mislead us and that we’re not getting what’s advertised. Neither was promised to us on the box or webpage by simply logging on.
You’re comparing getting to max level, to getting an allied race.
You might as well be comparing upping your professions to your gear score.
Sure, they both involve a number going up…but that’s as far as the comparison goes, and it isn’t a relevant one.
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This is the third time I’ve seen someone say this which is kind of odd.
If you have been playing WoW for a long time, I’m not sure what you mean by a “dump character.” Once you hit exalted with whatever rep you want an allied race from, you just do a race or faction change. Gold is easy to come by so you wouldn’t even have to spend real money.
If you mean you want a BfA allied race on the opposite faction then I completely agree. The way Legion did it was much better. However, I would rather they just fix this than to do away with the system all together.