Raid or Die.
How original.
Very very far from raid or die.
Iâve been doing 20s with my team, without full domination sockets. 2 pieces of 239 heroic because thatâs the best Iâve received in those slots.
You can get plenty far without even touching the raid, just make friends.
It is from the start ,when you enter sl one of the first thing they do was to introduce you to the pvp vendor ,great gear there high weapon ,drolling begins ,yeah, pvp had the highest weapon level in the game! Yeah! ButâŠbut⊠iâm a casual pver ! 
Funneled ,doesnât feel good.
Or, they express what they dislike and would like the game to accommodate and hope the devs take it into consideration. If not, they can find other games.
WoW has been designed largely as a conveyor belt into raid content almost entirely, excepting the D3 team porting over an increasingly seasonal approach to dungeons starting in Legion. When someone tells you âendgame contentâ I doubt you envision pet battles, transmog runs, and farming anima.
Mythics are arguably worse than raids in their intensity.
You should be able to get gear from content that isnât solely raiding/pvp/mythic+. The gear should go no higher than heroic ilvl, but it should be easier/better than it is now in korthia because the korthia grind is insane.
No casual wantâs mythic gear, we just want gear thatâs decent from activities that donât require us to spend dozens of hours raiding/dungeoning etc. Korthia was OK but not good enough IMO.
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I donât have high hopes for that.
FFXIV encourages and fosters community. WoW actively divides it.
Could even say thatâs a good thing for WoW. I hope I never have to meet some of the doomer whingers in game, here is bad enough.
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Keep telling yourself that.
You cut out the rest of the sentence, but you do you to fit your argument.
the person I was responding to said
I was simply pointing out they can do that right now.
and no, itâs not raid or die.
you can m+
you can pvp
what you canât do, is trivial content and have gear on par with raiders/dungeoners/pvpers who do the more difficult content.
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have you ever played a multiplayer online competitive game before? Iâve been reported for griefing because I picked a certain character. If a game has online multiplayer, it will have a meta. you cannot prevent this. Are there people enforcing the meta when they really donât need to? yes. But the issue isnât that the meta exists. The issue is community perception
They wouldnât know what to do with it.
You mean to do the group content that you supposedly wonât do? To get the gear that you can only get from group content?
You have multiple ways to get gear. If you canât understand that then idk what to tell you.
Iâve actually been having a blast doing group content in FFXIV. Itâs inclusive and they wonât yell at me for making mistakes, instead encouraging me to try again and helping me where I struggle.
Whereas the WoW community makes me want to stay solo and hide from it due to how harsh, elitist, exclusive and toxic it is.
WoW canât sustain itself with a divided fanbase.
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Korthia is even too high for what you guys have to do to unlock it.
Itâs literally braindead.
At this point youâre actively seeking the toxicity.
let me guess itâs the autoqueue dungeon content ff have where people say hi blast through and leave
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