WoW was designed during a time when MMOs were something that few played and fewer admitted to playing. The overall plan seems to have been to take Everquest and make it more friendly to the general public.
A lot of Vanilla seems to have been “throw these at the wall and see what sticks”. That explains why TBC was such a massive overhaul to the game.
Consecrate is like any AOE. No different than a Mage’s Arcane blast, in terms of aggro. If there isn’t enough aoe aggro from tank, than yeah, it’ll draw aggro. You may also want to make sure your friend isn’t buffing herself with Righteous Fury, which is meant for tanking purposes. That is intended to greatly increase aggro with any holy spell. If she’s not tanking, she needs to have that off or it will steal aoe aggro very easily if the tank isn’t prepared for it.
But yes, Consecrate is part of the Pally tanking arsenal for one of the best AoE tanking conditions. Very heavy on mana, which is why we have to drink after every other pull.
Sure it is, on anything over 1 target.
We ALL knew going in what to expect from each class. My Pally doesn’t have a taunt either but I’m not asking why.
There will be ZERO changes to classes. Guaranteed.
Also some people do not realize consecrate is in the HOLY TREE.
Shaman tank is the best through zf. Especally with caster you can hold range agro. I did my best zf run with a shaman. Locks or mage with fury war will plow through dungeons. I just havent seen it in lvl 60 dungeons. I am told it works but not expierenced it yet.
Why would you want to hold aggro at range? If the mob is currently lobbing spells at you, it is going to proximity aggro anything around it. If you can’t run up because of mobs on the side between you and the casting mob, that’s an error of pull order. Finally, at ranged, Shaman receive no bonus threat modifiers outside of Earth Shock, and LB spam is going to be inferior damage (and therefore threat) to any other Ranged DPS.
A little late to this discussion but I just wanted to add, that shaman could use a Masterwork Stormhammer for a little extra aoe threat, combined with…the force reactive disk? And a shield spike…no taunt but they do have some options to work around that.
We don’t really need it. We have talents to increase dodge and block chance. We have rockbiter weapon which increases threat, and earth shock which is a high output of raw damaged multiplied by increased threat on it. Earth Shock is the closest thing you can get to being a taunt without actually being a hard taunt.
If you’re tanking a pack of mobs, start with chain lightening and immediately follow up with an earth shock and a melee swing. If you mark targets and your party members are following the kill order, you’ll have no problem holding threat against mobs your level.
Shaman tanking can work despite what some forum dwellers testify as fact. It requires all party members to pay attention and get with the program, it isn’t a great idea for a pug most of the time, and it isn’t nearly as effective as warriors, druids, or paladins, BUT IT CAN WORK. And some will say “any class can tank with the right gear, food buffs, consumables, group composition, etc” which is also true, but shamans can more easily tank than the other classes not listed above.
In short, shamans don’t need a taunt if you and your group knows what to do. The biggest issues with shaman tanking are mana management (aka downtime while drinking) and being a mail wearer.
They can fulfill 3 roles: Healer, Ranged DPS AND Melee DPS. Ever seen a LFG post asking specifically for ranged or melee dps? That’s because the DPS role is actually divided into 2 roles, and shamans can fulfill both. BTW, I’m going off of what is generally accepted into your casual raid. I’ve seen at least one Enh shaman in about every raid I’ve done, and I occasionally see elemental (but less often), but you never see a shaman raid tank so that’s what I’m basing my rant on. Paladins can fulfill 3 roles as well: healer, tank, and melee dps.
I believe that shamans and paladins are fair counterparts when you factor in all the pros and cons that each class has in all aspects of the game.
they didnt give prot paladins a taunt either and thats a much better tank the any enhancement tank.
this is what you call bad class design.
Lb or cl and earth shock. This allows the pull to be threat heavy compare to waiting for a war to pull with a bow.
In my ideal world, repentance would be in place of consecration, consecration in place of kings, and kings in place of repentance.
Repentance is garbage for a 31 point talent, consecration is mandatory for prot so it makes sense to be in the prot tree, and kings would actually give demand for at least 1 retadin.
You just described most everything 
Which given this is ZF and earlier… why would you need to ranged pull anyway? I get the idea of frontloading your TPS with Earthshock, but in those early dungeons there is nothing stopping the Warrior from Charging into the next pack ahead of everyone while they drink or similar.
Which is the principle argument against viability when the minimum of success requires so much more from everyone that isn’t the Shaman, assuming success is possible at all.
A Demonology Warlock is sturdier than a Shaman while having access to the same 200% threat modifier on a spell, while also being able to spam that spell every GCD and having a better SP modifier.
They do, like any Tank, since taunt-swap encounters often can’t wait on you to rip aggro while your active Tank does nothing. Anyone using no Taunts on Ebonroc is going to have a really fun time.
Trust me much faster pulls. No pulling agrgo off a cl es pull. Wars need time to build rage and can pull packs back when you got the fast runners.
If you say so, not sure how fast the Warrior is actually pulling compared to a Shaman if the Warrior can’t stay ahead of mana bars, particularly if everyone is just spamming AoE.
Faster kills mean less healer mana. It was a really nice zf run. I know i did sm in vanilla with my shaman but sunken temple just hit too hard and my warrior friend had to take over.
Oh I was thinking more about the Mage Mana. Blizzard, Cone of Cold, Flamestrike, and Arcane Explosion aren’t exactly cheap.
How big were the pulls? One pack at a time or were they doing 5-6 mobs?
We just did one pack at a time. Probably faster then aoe mana burn.