My guild has yet to defeat her, everyone at 405+ ilvl. People still get one-shot by mechanics. Nerfs here are good. Last bosses should be hard but Heroic Raz is just overtuned for the iLvl you should be able to clear it at.
If you need the thing nerfed by 90%, it shouldn’t exist.
Personally tired of not being able to survive the phase one bombs without a cooldown on heroic. Especially when I’m targeted with three of them back to back.
same, i havent the time nor patience for normal runs anymore, the lfr is great for just casual runs and im a filthy casual now.
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They were tuned around some borrowed power. They were definitely not tuned around the infinitely scaling artifact weapon, unlimited wf/ tf, r3 essences, fully max corruption, farmable sockets, etc providing significant passive output.
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sepulcher? lmao
hardest raid of all time btw. even with borrowed power.
She is too hard imo mechanics on top of mechanics that are the same color, it’s just stupid and on top of that its just too long of a fight.
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The issue with raiding is M+ is easier to get gear and get better gear faster. Raiding also is way more challenging to complete as it takes 10-30 playing together than 5 players. So you bundle all this together and then factor in raiding drops less loot per 5 players than M+
also as the patches go on the raid always gets easier as time goes until the next raid launch. also raszageth is a bit overtuned still to keep a challenge going for AOTC.
man raz doesn’t even drop anything good besides the bow which is being nerfed.
it’s not even worth killing her more than 1 time on heroic. better off just progging mythic.
You are fundamentally misunderstanding the premise. X or Y raid being mechanically hard has nothing to do with it. In the last 3 xpacs, there were systems that allowed player power to scale significantly throughout the tier. Scaling that continued to happen long after hof was full. Most of that scaling was passive.
Those systems are gone. Players can no longer rely on 10-15% passive output.
This is the data pulled from Warcraftlogs over the last two weeks. With that in mind it is likely skewed a bit because it’s less likely that someone is logging LFR, but take it as you will; Also keep in mind that this is not counting for duplicates or unique accounts anything like that, it’s just the raw data:
| Difficulty | Total Parses | Eranog | Terros | Council | Sennarth | Dathea | Kurog | Broodmother | Razzageth |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mythic | 878559 | 302808 | 103121 | 290624 | 68606 | 28339 | 48953 | 29896 | 6212 |
| Heroic | 2643335 | 447900 | 356105 | 394246 | 342248 | 255787 | 314018 | 336412 | 196619 |
| Normal | 886678 | 133691 | 115158 | 114985 | 110812 | 101636 | 105208 | 110241 | 94947 |
| LFR | 190054 | 37770 | 33152 | 40747 | 34110 | 39911 | 34278 | 34620 | 37006 |
I’m not overly familiar with the WoW API, but I’m sure I could scrape the actual data to find the number of characters who have cleared the bosses since I’m around 80% certain that’s something available in the data.
I’m working on the by-boss counts too because that gives a nice overview of where folks are struggling the most.
EDIT: Added the boss-by-boss breakdowns.
What I gather from this data is:
Pretty much everyone who does LFR or Normal clears it.
Heroic Broodmother is a filter keeping back 1/3 of all logged players.
Mythic Broodmother is an even larger one keeping back 4/5 of all logged players.
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you’re right, it’s just literally in their talent tree, so they are yet again, relying on 10-15% of passives.
half of my legendaries from SL are in my talent tree lol
I think this is the standard way they manage raids now.
Your talent tree power creeps? Weird.
I do have half of the legendaries from SL in there, so whatever you wanna call it.
Players are the same skill level. Boss was overtuned and should’ve been nerfed before.
I must admit that I am shocked that LFR is the most unpopular raid tier. My que times as a dps is less than 15 minutes and even less as a healer.
But numbers don’t lie.
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Your talent tree does not scale. Corruption scaled. The artifact scaled. Conduits scaled. Scaling/ power creep allowed players to continue to get more powerful throughout the tier. That is gone now.
yea i mean conduits capped out i guess in sepulcher
doesn’t change the fact this boss should’ve been nerfed earlier.
If you hunt for a normal or heroic group. It takes less time than that.
I mean, I ran LFR for the first time in quite a while last month to get some boss kills for the trading post. I certainly don’t log an LFR run so while I can’t say how close that number is to the real attendance, I’m pretty sure it’s not accurate on logging alone.
If it was PL in LFR and I could get purples to DE for enchanting (cause I really need crystals desperately) I’d be there more, and I’m sure a lot of people would be there more if they could actually get drops that they didn’t just need to equip for an iLev upgrade. That also may be hurting attendance.