This is the WoW Story Forum, not one of your Right Wing Online Anti-Semitic websites, like 4Chan or TruthSocial.
That is a bit off topic from the Light in Warcraft.
He who is without sin cast the first stone… you are not even on the topic.
I do not think many people come to the WoW Lore Forums to argue over biblical genocides and how Christians are only responsible for the back part of their holy book, or what ever your point is.
That doesn’t save things. for every thug that commits a religious-inspired hate based crime there are a hundred which silently cheer them on. It’s the culture that produces these people.
Even if we disagree on a few things, thanks for explaining. There are definitely some people who have legitimate grievances. We’re still golden.
Tarring everybody with the same brush doesn’t save things either, it at the very least encourages bigotry, which causes more harm to all involved.
The same can also be said for every religion and atheists too; that for every Christian/Muslim/atheist/insert-creed-of-choice-here thug who does a violent hate crime to promote their creed, there are those who silently cheer them on. As for culture, if we look at cultures were religions besides Christianity are dominant or ones where atheism is dominant, see similar or worse.
Good to know. Just wanted you to understand that when I lash out, it’s more due to frustration that some people refuse to see how they are using their religion to oppress others and are painting a bad image of their entire faith
When you point a finger at someone, three fingers point back at you. This is the WoW Story Forum, not one of your Far-Left Anti-Christian websites like Rationalwiki.
The fact that you joined the anti-Christian bandwagon those other commentors started shows your hypocrisy in this. Since you’ve refused to say anything smart, or at least that’s not a false accusation, back on the ignore list for you.
Others refusing to see your point can be frustrating. I can relate. Plus, some people have legitimate grievances (like you), others people let their grievance sour into a chip on their shoulder larger than Vatican City, and others use grievances as excuses for their bigotry.
Now I’m saying the following just to try and get the thread back on topic, rather than let Renautus, Drahliana or Cursewords turn this thread into grievance central or (yet another) an anti-Christian hate thread… is there anything else you’ve noticed in Warcraft lore about the Light that would relate to it’s morality that you already haven’t already shared here?
I notice that most light users aren’t cray cray. Blizz does portray most light users as benevolent. But they go overboard when portraying the evil ones
Not everyone has the same amount of fingers.
There is more of your Right Wing Ableist Jargon, coming from someone who appeals to Anti Semitism such as yourself, it is not surprising.
Oh boo hoo. You say that often enough, I was not sure if you had me on ignore or not - I still was going to point out that you constantly want to attack Judaism.
True. The closest thing to a non-benevolent or crazy Light user that I’ve seen so far is Revil Kost, the priest from the artifact quest chains in Legion. He’s polite with druids despite their differing faiths but has to be strong-armed into helping Warlocks or Death Knights. And he’s grumpy.
On second thought, there’s also Emmara, that Draenei priest from the Army of the Light who’s spunky and enjoys fighting more than healing.
I really don’t think this is the place for a debate about real-world religions. Nobody’s likely to convert anyone to their own beliefs here, or talk them out of what they believe now. And it’s off-topic.
Let’s not derail this any further please. Thaddeus does make some good points, let’s try to understand where he’s coming from before y’all launch an inquisition against him.
If we can be cordial and have a decent discussion, than y’all can too. I been a hypocrite in attacking him for no reason, and I’m just asking we all try to do better
I understand where he’s coming from having grown up as a Holy Roller myself. He’s the one who came up all butthurt about the fracturing of the Light’s halo of goodness while forgetting that it’s been cracked since Vanilla.
The whole Xe’ra and Illidan stuff was pretty cringe though.
And it does kind of have a anti religious message behind it
What about Greg Locke? And how Fundimentalist Christianity in America, has ties to white Supremacy, the three K’s? Lynchings, murders, and systemic violence against, PoC, women, children, and the LGBTQ+ community.
We are not attacking faith but the organized church. the organized church is a monolith of systemic oppression and violence.
Rememeber that polical compass I posted a month ago? Showed the Axis between Authoritarian-Libertarian. You are criticising the Authoritarian Left, you are Authoritarian Right. Most of us here are Libertarian left. We are not the enemy you think we are but we are anti-Authoritarian, which clashes with your Authoritarian right beliefs. We have every right to criticise the Authoritarian right as you have to criticise the Authoritarian left, we also do not want the Authoritatian left to get in power.
We are not the Authoritarian left.
The Vatican once also had a deal with a certain German leader in the 30s and 40s. It’s one of the many reasons why I find the church to be a bunch of hypocrites
Yeah, the Vatican ensured all the top N@zi brass made it to South America. The lost treasures of Europe are in the Vatican basement. N@zi’s paid the church for new names and to be baptized. Hunting H-er was a good documentary.
Maybe more of an anti-fanaticist message.
WoW itself isn’t anti-faith, actually the opposite. But it does often shine a light on how faith can be used as a weapon. It’s a morality lesson, but it also shares the opinion that you don’t have to have faith to be morally good. Being morally good is a matter of choice and everyone has access to that choice, at any point, until their very essence has been extinguished.
On the topic of atheism. Atheism is the proof that you don’t need faith to be a good person. A religious person may be good because they doing it for eternal reward, which is selfish. But when an atheistic person chooses to be good, it’s not for any moral gain, it’s the purest form of good. This is a concept I don’t imagine a lot of ‘Fire and Brimestone’ Christians like to admit.
Currently, there is a cardinal from quebec (canada) that is accuse of sexual abuse. After all the thing that have been going on and all the excuse that the church gave us about all the other sexual abuse case, the church defend him and are once again trying to hide a sexual abuse crime.
So yeah, they are really just a bunch of hypocrites.
Minor quibble: Atheists can be good for selfish reasons too. An excellent fictional example is Havelock Vetinari from the Discworld. I am a big believer in the idea that, in the long run, being good is a much better selfish option than anything else. ^_~ But I do appreciate the good press, given context.
Veering back on topic, I am astounded anyone can look at WoW and say it’s pro-faith. I wouldn’t consider WoW hostile to faith either, it just seems to be unfamiliar with things that don’t strike a mid-30s American gamer as being normal. There’s a kind of confusion in the face of contemplating apologia, philosophy, ecstasy, esoterica, neuroticism (not pejorative), ritual, liminality, and asceticism except in very broad strokes, and while these things don’t define all or even the majority of the religious experience, they are among the most striking and memorable examples of religiosity across the human experience.
WoW faith begins and ends at a kind of casual piety and a striving for redemption on the positive end and authoritarian, dogmatic hierarchy on the negative side. Deities and forces primarily exist as what they can do or as very ordinary, unremarkable people who just happen to have vast power. This all reflects the varieties of religious experiences probably most familiar to the gamer geek of the last three decades but is a very limited and repetitive point of view to build a whole setting around.