I remember reading about a war that was billed the same way.
By that logic, anything is possible, sure.
But there just hasn’t been any suggestion by anyone, not even the settings many often self-contradictory writers, that suggests it yet.
True, but they’ve also declared every account of the creation story to be written from a limited and biased perspective, so …
Blizz rarely makes a huge reach forward… they may expand on something which the past has to slightly alter to adhere to more coherently for future participants, but the future from such a change rarely changes drastically. Or maybe it does, but I would guess that takes digging and is more appreciable the more you see, kael’thas coming back was the first moment in wow the concept of doing a double take at the story came to my mind.
Blizz rarely makes a huge reach forward…
They just retconned all the cosmic forces. I’d call that a pretty big reach. It just didn’t involve past characters, so people didn’t notice as much.
I think the people who need to see an enemy would rather see one amongst their own, and the people still stuck seeing enemies only see the enemy which is the furthest from themself.
The dark master of the dreadlords in wc3, oddly I thought it to be sargeras when you hear their altercations with sylvanas and arthas, turns out it was the jailer?
What do you mean by retconned all the cosmic forces? I thought wow always kept a fairly stable narrative in connecting cultural misappropriations to their storytelling predictability/build up, tauren culture and the blue moon, vs. orcish culture and the elements of draenor as example. Dark shaman have been misusing the winds of azeroth since garrosh allowed them to in the valleys of durotar.
What do you mean by retconned all the cosmic forces?
The subject of this thread. They just shifted the entire moral underpinning of the universe.
There was no moral underpining of the universe. Not after WC1 at least. Once the whole Orcs vs Humans thing played out, there was no objective good or objective evil.
Here’s another problem with the type of story the current writers are pursuing/pushing.
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Once the whole Orcs vs Humans thing played out, there was no objective good or objective evil.
I don’t follow. What does that have to do with the alignment of cosmic forces?
The cosmic forces were not expanded on before Chronicle. The RP books were deemed non canonical. It’s the RP books that had a very black and white cosmic alignments but even then they showed the Shadow as being simply the duality of the Light. No good vs evil alignmement
The cosmic forces were not expanded on before Chronicle.
The way they were treated in the story was incompatible with what the writers are now trying to establish, though.
The RP books were deemed non canonical.
I’ve only skimmed the RP books and that was a long time ago, so I’m not getting this from them.
I wonder what people would say if the writers suddenly decided to make it canon that Light = all Good and Void/Shadow/Darkness = all Evil. Blizz have done so many retcons already, so by that logic, this one would be as valid as any other.
Morally grey Light partially relies on these inconsistent, contradictory retcons.
The universe is the physical manifestation of other’s wills. Thus, for a person to denigrate the universe is to ignore the personal power of those around them.
Thus was the only groundwork in the RP books for alignment. The Universe is a product of manifestation and individuals had the power to manifest changes in the universe based on thier will. This is free will but also magic.
the Light’s third tenant us Compassion. Believing that it can change the world through passive influence instead of enflorcing it’s will.
The Light, perviously refused to extert it’s will on others it wasca passive benevolent force.
No good. No evil.
Just action and inaction. Passivity vs Force.
Thus was the only groundwork in the RP books for alignment.
The RP books are irrelevant, so I don’t know why you’re quoting them. You said yourself that they’re non-canonical, and I never based any of my perception of how things are in WoW on those books.
No good. No evil.
Even within that quote, you’re saying “compassion” is a morally neutral word?
No, it’s benevolent. But it’s also passive. Passive benevolence doesn’t equal objective good.
That’s why we have people questioning why God lets babies die of cancer, is passive benevolence really helping or is it the cosmic equivalent of #ThoughtsandPrayers nothing is actually accomplished with thoughts and prayers.
Passive benevolence doesn’t equal objective good.
It does equal good alignment, which is the only claim I’m making. Or at least, I think it does.
Also, just a reminder that the passivity comes from the non-canonical and irrelevant RP books. We’ve seen the Light intervene in WoW, although not for a few expansions.
Yeah but all gets thrown out the window when paladins start using the Light for evil because they are not following the tenent of compassion. The will of the individual is stronger than the cosmic alignment. There’s nothing saying the Light is “good” only that it’s benevolent. It means well.
IMO the difference between benevolent and good/good-aligned is so fine as to be nonexistent in practical terms. Activeness and effectiveness are separate issues—again, IMO.
The will of the individual is stronger than the cosmic alignment.
I’ve acknowledged that, and in fact, I liked it:
As presented in the early days of WoW (pre-retcon), I’d say the Light was good, but comparatively weak. It could be dominated by determined mortals and used for whatever ends they chose. I thought that was an interesting concept, and I considered it a strength of the story, not a weakness!
The light may be benevolent but it can be used for evil, this was always established canon. The will of the individual wielding the Light is more powerful than the Light’s innate benevolence. Regardless if the wielder is a mortal or a Naaru, it is still the same.