Can tell you had bad luck , but this is far from normal , ive tanked 1-120 2 times in bfa (tanks that immediately got benched in favor of my all time main:rogues) and i’ve never seen a dps get kicked and 95% of those dungeons i was top dps , as tank.
I mean nothing happened except the possibility to play with even more player due to cross realm . I clearly remember being yelled at like no tmr in TBC on shade of aran for having a hard time using push to talk to let them know i kicked on my turn. That list is very long … nothing changed on that , maybe you just had a better guild/friends back then.
I’m sorry you’ve had a bad time. There’s still some nice players out there.
If you ever find yourself on Stormrage, Alliance side, hit me up. I’d be happy to answer any questions and invite you to a good guild.
I feel as if some people didn’t read that fully lol…
OP says it was in said Guild.
Problem is, how high was the key… the requirement seems harsh if it was as someone noted, anything lower than a 10. But at the same time, unless expressed by the group, you can’t expect to be a carry.
This is just a case of what I perceive as you being in a cesspool Guild.
It’s the nature of the beast. There are plenty of other Guilds that you’ll sadly have to look through that will and can help you gear up in M+ dungeons, that you can learn the dungeons etc…
Heck, maybe try looking for ‘‘communities’’ that offer that very thing, try posting around to find a solid group of people that can help you along.
It’s not a game problem , just a people problem. You are going to run into elitists, jerks, idiots… but at the same time, you have to understand you can’t expect to be carried and even basic addons should be required because the game is just much more mechanically challenging than it used to be that you at least need some basic addon to give you a heads up on certain things.
Oh, that’s reductive and you know it. I didn’t call you a tough guy for expecting competence. I called you a tough guy for the sarcastic disdain you showed for any returning player in the way you wrote your post.
I mean you’re not wrong, but last night while running alts through low level content it seems like every other run some one wanted to vote kick people for some thing dumb. like “not keeping up with the group”, “from ragnaros/gallywix”, “not aoeing” when that destro lock wasn’t high enough level to have Rain of Fire yet or “idiot/stupid/noob”. Perhaps people experience different things and different groups while leveling. So far the dumbest one has been “mage didn’t hero” at the last boss that took less than 30 seconds to kill.
However most of the time I would say I never experience any thing toxic.
I was wondering about that too or why, if the OP has played this game before and done those early dungeons, they would have to announce they’re new. I only announce to a group of a pugs when I haven’t done a dungeon before.
Also, do people really pay attention to Recount while leveling? Until like level 70, tanks are the number one dps lol
Common problem among pretenders - lack of self control , lack of self content. Its not enough they get rewards but the rewards needs to be barred from everyone else so they can feel a bit more special.
Its hilarious these ppl think they are competing in anything and feel they need to do everything WF raiders do to keep up. They do not like to hear the truth that the difference between them and casuals is that they spend more time playing the game.
My dungeon experience as a tank has been running through basically soloing everything.
As a healer it’s just doing my dps rotation because no one takes damage.
As a dps it’s been just keeping up with the tank and smashing buttons.
I’ve only seen people kicked for being offline. I’m sure that if a dps was being a jerk to the tank/healer and pulling stuff they might get kicked, but I don’t understand why my experience has been so different from OP’s.
Like, within the past month I’ve leveled a mage from 1-112, a shaman (as both healer and dps) from 1-110, a warrior from 1-120, and a rogue from 1-120. I could see myself just getting lucky with good groups for one of those characters, but there’s literally no way that someone is getting kicked as often as OP is describing without being the problem themselves.
Everything went to hell with the destruction of server communities. There are almost no reasons to care how you treat others in this game as the greater majority you’ll never come across again anyway. back in the day when we had server communities you’d run across those players time and time again.
I think it just depends on the time/day because I agree since I’ve rarely come across this as a big issue, but when I do come across it, it seems to be the trend for the day. You could be right about OP being more of an issue then they are letting on though.
Like when people say they experience toxic people while leveling a Vulpera. I never once experienced some one being nasty towards me when I was leveling mine.
The key is really to find a group of about 5-10 friends and actively manage your own community standards because many guilds act like a business and think that is the best way to achieve the things they want (when in reality is just turns the game into a second job.)
Hard DPS caps are silly and a more productive way to talk about them should probably be “you want to aim for this number if you expect to down the content in time.”
I see this so often. I’m not picking on you Yesuna. I think others have said this even in this thread. You just voiced the position so well that I quoted you.
I see this a LOT in discussions of the game’s toxicity, but here’s the thing:
I don’t have to be given a reason or incentive to be a decent person. I’m decent because I’m a decent person. Anyone who has to be bribed to behave like a decent human being is not a good person. The end.
If they’re nice to you, but they’re not nice to the waiter, they’re not a nice person.
I’ve never experienced it mostly because I don’t prefer to run normal dungeons when I decide to level alts, but a fair amount of people have said they’ve been kicked for not having heirlooms. It’s really pathetic that some people act so small and chase away new players.
People have a tendency to focus on the toxic side (which is really a minority) than to focus on the good. Sounds to me like you need a more chill guild.
You also don’t need a bunch of addons to do anything in the game. People just like to make things “easier” on themselves by having them. The addons that people usually find helpful I feel can make things more troublesome or something not as enjoyable.
So…uhhh, stop focusing on the bad so much and learn to chase the good. You’ll be alright.
Most people do. If people didn’t face many years in federal prison much of the population would rob banks for a living.
many people aren’t though.
Agreed but that’s just how the world works. People need incentive. Just look at the “charity” stuff Blizzard throws out there. How many of those folks would donate money to those causes without being given a digital reward?
Agreed, and that’s one of the reasons I’m 100% in favor of going back to closed realms. We really need that back in some degree, in some way.
Having a closed realm auto-policed a metric tonne of bad behavior because you’d have to pay for a transfer to get away from the consequences of being a universal d-bag.
Nobody really knows but yeah it is pretty terrible the level of elitism, arrogance and hostility in WoW compared to virtually every other MMORPG out there.
There’s still some nice players out there.