Seems pretty closed minded of someone to have one bad experience and then immediately assume that that’s how all experiences in that content goes.
I thought the saying was: What happens when you fall off the horse? You get back on…
There’s absolutely no need to do all 8 bosses consecutively on normal either.
If you can find the unicorn of a raid group that doesn’t want you to go for a full clear…
For me it’s too much stress. I can’t or shouldn’t play because of a very bad heart that shouldn’t be subjected to that high of stress. Playing solo in this game is low enough stress that I can play. No matter, I love this game. If it applies, be thankful that you have a healthy heart. Stress is one of the hardest things on a human heart! Peace
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I don’t raid because I don’t want to have to schedule my game time. That’s it really.
Its a huge time commitment when you have to form up a group and then end up waiting around for stragglers for god knows how long.
I haven’t raided since Burning Crusade mostly because i hate waiting around for other people : /
I’m also 30 years old now. When i was a teenager i had the time to do these things. now i don’t have have a regular slot of free time to dedicate to gaming and i imagine the majority of people playing this game are in the same situation. Adulting is time consuming.
My guess is, raiding is like a competition meaning you have to prepare and then go into stress mode to beat the boss with the occasional jerk teammate. Some people don’t want /can’t handle that.
The other (and personal experience), people are not invested enough to endgame cause its not relevant (can watch cinematics in YouTube/get hear elsewhere, etc) and Also don’t have time to dedicate, they rather spend their time reading/viewing other stuff than a 10 min video with bunch of explanations then wait 20 min to fill in, wipe, another 10min to refill raid, etc.
It comes down to time commitment. I went from getting into wow in legion, learning the game and joining a mythic prog guild and finally to joining an all-dwarf wpvp guild in bfa.
Wpvp guilds have raid times too. Except you don’t have to come prepped or invest time into leveling your neck or getting your essence levels up. It’s about jumping on a ram and charging into the horde. It’s about helping your fellow clansmen in small things, like doing casual m+s and logging off. You get far more recognition for not showing up to guild hours and you feel more satisfied because it’s about having fun doing wpvp together, not collecting gear that becomes obsolete in 2-3 months.
It’s about making friends.
The hard content I do personally run is rated pvp. That’s a different story altogether. But again, with rated, if you are a 2.2k warrior who can call targets, rbgs are fun to do and you get accepted into most groups.
I do LFR exclusively because the group is random and not a single person is the “leader” who decides who gets in and out.
The last time I tried raiding above LFR was during WoD, and rarely passed the “too low ilvl”, “no experience”, “we don’t like your class/spec”, “link curve” and a loooong list of excuses. Sorry, I’m trying to have fun, I am not applying for a job.
The times I did manage to get in a group, the group’s just outright toxic:
Raid warning: IF YOU DON’T F***** DO insert whatever mechanic or technique YOU’RE OUT.
Raid warning: WHAT THE F**** IS WRONG WITH YOU BRAINLESS IDIOTS
Raid warning: OMFG ARE YOU F****** BLIND??? GET OUT OF THE FIRE!!!
No. I’m terribly sorry, but I’m old enough to put up with this toxicity. I want to have fun, the game’s supposed to be fun, not stressful.
“Why don’t you join a guild?”
This is the second part of my argument: I don’t have time for any sort of game-related commitment. I play exclusively when I can, not when I like to. I don’t want to be an inconvenience to any guild.
So if you can think of a solution that lets me raid above LFR with normal polite people whenever I have time, please do tell me.
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Stress? How is there any amount of stress in normal or even heroic raiding? I’m legit confused
Raiding is not stressful - the people (usually the raid leader) are the ones who create stressful uncomfortable situations.
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In my experience, unless you push normal/heroic the first two weeks after raid is out (when for some reason people are paying attention, learning and accepting normal ilvl req) you are forever screwed with pugs.
Idk why, but if I try those first weeks I can clear the entire raid easily with people sometimes -15 ilvls below actual drops. I cleared N/H Killjaden that way on the first week out. After those weeks pass it becomes hell; people demanding +5ilvl vs drops and wiping over and over.
I’m clueless about that. ![:thinking:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/thinking.png?v=6" ":thinking:")
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Thanks for the tip - I will bear it in mind the next time there’s a new patch ![:slight_smile:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/slight_smile.png?v=6" ":slight_smile:")
I just do normal. I give in to peer pressure for heroic, but I always find heroic makes everyone grumpy. We don’t have enough people for mythic(thankfully). I think for me, personally, I don’t mind having to execute mechanics and meet bench marks. I just lose interest when those benchmarks and mechanics become very narrow and it’s less about enjoying a fight than making sure I’m constantly in the right spot and hitting the right sequence of keys to maximize everything.
It’s okay to miss pre-potting in normal. It can cause a wipe in higher difficulties.
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Many of us have had really poor experiences when attempting to raid.
This is a game about elves and dwarves and fairies, and y’all take it VERY seriously. I’m not here to be yelled at. By “here” i mean “I’m not playing WoW to be yelled at by you”, I also mean “I am not on Earth to be yelled at by anyone over trivial matters”.
Raiding also just isn’t interesting enough to me that I want to spend time away from the game studying, and working on strategies. When I’m in WoW, I just want to play and chill out and get away from the stresses in my life.
When I’m not in WoW, I’ll use my time to pursue real-world interests and take care of real-world obligations. A balanced life is important.
I understand that, for some folks, raiding is their #1 interest and hobby. That’s OK. It’s just not mine.
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I thought it was fun until I got into a guild that spent the raids screaming at people and insulting them because they made mistakes. That included me, but I was not the only person treated like that. Honestly, I think a lot of people take raids way too seriously. There was a time when more people were interested in helping others to learn instead of slashing figurative throats.
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Most players don’t like raiding. That is according to Blizzard’s own assessment.
Hard to learn a raid? Let’s see. The people I know best who play WoW all have advanced college degrees. One is a software consultant who couldn’t work at Blizzard in any capacity because she would have to take a pay cut. Another teaches at a university. Another is an accountant. Another can pick up almost any musical instrument and play it well in a day or two.
Hard to learn a raid. That’s hilarious.
MOST WOW PLAYERS DON’T LIKE RAIDING.
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Stress? How is there any amount of stress in normal or even heroic raiding? I’m legit confused" Molku
You’re confused because you’ve never been affected by stress to the level I have. And on top of that I’ve been diagnosed with social anxiety. Mix those together with my poor health due to a heart disease then you wouldn’t be confused.
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Oh those good old days… I used to raid with a group of people that actually laughed their **** off when we wiped several times.
Today, I still do laugh when I see my group wipes lol I don’t get why people react so negatively
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This has been my biggest deterrent since Vanilla. I noped out of joining the large raiding guilds my buddies joined. I hung out, role-played, did WPvP events, and ran some dungeons. I was pretty happy with that. I had a small stint of regularly raiding when ZG came out, and I found a guild that could host fun and chill 20-man raids 2 days a week. Once that guild broke up in TBC I went back to goofing off and PvP, and the occasional raid PUG later on in the expansions. Any attempts I’ve made to get into a regular raiding group have not been nearly as enjoyable to me.
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Right? I mean, what I am seeing here is that many people don’t like raiding because they don’t like raiders these days. So maybe the OP and those like him should go look in the mirror.
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