Then writers with a surface level understanding of “Orcs are bad” came in and wrote the Horde as evil. Now they are irredeemably complicit in genocide. And that comes from a fundamental misreading of their own universe.
And yes, the fabric of a fictional universe can change over time. But that’s not what happened with the Horde. There was nothing organic about it. We were just suddenly written not as a fleeing, persecuted people, but as outright villains. This isn’t a gradual slipping over time back to their demon-fueled days. This was writers not understanding what Thrall’s Horde represents.
People are RPing odd combos now and hopefully Blizzard continues with opening it all up. Y’all that got a problem with folks having creative freedom in a game where we used the magic of friendship to kill a god are free to not play those combos.
They had no antagonist and Garrosh was a perfect fit for this. That’s why faction wars should not be a thing anymore, while focusing on a Legend of Korra diplomatic storytelling.
Forsaken to some extent got a similar treatment. Yes, they had been morally off-color since Vanilla but the majority of that was seen with the Apothecaries specifically. The larger body of Forsaken came off as a tragic people picking up the pieces with an overarching sense of twisted bitterness, but they weren’t outright evil. A bit of it was visible in WotLK too but especially with Cata onward, the entire race (minus a few non-faction-oriented oddballs or freshly raised individuals who were summarily executed) got painted with the same brush as the Apothecaries, which I think was a huge mistake.
we need more race/class combo’s that make since like Night Elf paladin is perfect and a moon themed spell list would fit it even better.
in general CLASS skins can open up a lot of race class combo’s
but some should never be allowed like undead paladin unless there is a clear unholy theme skin locked like the risen scarlet crusade undead
void elf paladin could work if they had a void theme skin
i think draenei warlocks are doable based off warlocks be a secretive sect and there were draenei warlocks on the exodar in lore granted enemies, but light forge is a CLEAR NO NO unless they some how has a light based theme which is more radical then anyhting suggested already
From back with the Lord of the Clans books and pretty much the entirety of Golden’s novels, the Horde is basically lowkey Klingon culture focused on honor.
Except they continually suck at it and constantly do dishonorable things.
This doesn’t even make sense, classes are more than just the races that can play as them. My priest is different than my warlock because of the abilities and themes of the class, not just because I can play a Tauren as a priest and not a warlock.
Class history isn’t race history. It’s that simple.
Which has nothing to do with the fact that there aren’t race/class restrictions written into D&D. Just like in D&D it’s up to the players to tell the stories of their characters.
It’s a hell of a reach to say people fell in love with the game because of race/class restrictions. Character lore, racial lore, class lore are all different things. You can still have interesting racial lore without class restrictions.
I’m genuinely curious if there’s somewhere blizzard has said that gnome priests don’t exist, or how the combo is “disrespectful” to anybody. This is my favorite class and I don’t understand why I’d care that gnome priest exists?
It’s like Tauren using the idea of the light of the sun, which is awesome. It’s a creative way to introduce the priest themes and gameplay while still telling a story central to them, but if somebody else wants to say their Tauren priest is a memeber of the twilight cult turned good instead of a sun worshiping cleric, I’m not affected at all.
I guess all those Orc death knights, forsaken death knights, troll death knights, night elf death knights, gnome death knights…were disrespectful to the death knight theme when they were introduced into the game with every race available to them.
Class lore isn’t racial lore, and player characters are not representative of their race in every capacity. Player stories aren’t cannon, player characters aren’t cannon. Blizzard doesn’t have to justify 10000 tauren rogues running around because they don’t exist in game.
The game loses nothing and gains the freedom of choice and interesting new stories for players to tell in return.
It is amusing I agree with pretty much everything you say, except to me.
This is false. It was explicit that the Eradar were part of Sargeras’ corruption, not the other way around. The 2 Eradar mentioned by name as being part of his initial formation of the Burning Legion are Archimonde and Kil’Jaeden. It was explicit that Draeni were natives of Draenor. The Draeni as they exist currently are retcons, and probably the most substantial retcons in the Warcraft universe.
In the context you’re quoting, I was pointing out the extent to which the Night Elf race has been reconnected. Particularly for the release of vanilla WoW. Anything archeology wasn’t a thing until about 6 years after this.
My point with both of these posts was people who complain about needing retcons for some race and class combinations are often playing classes that are the result of equal if not greater retcons. So I’ll restate to people who take this position:
Originally maybe, but the RPG elements of WoW have become as watered down as, well, any content in the game that doesn’t have + after it or a mythic in the name.
I’ve said this before, WoW is as much an RPG as a Big Mac is to a hamburger or a bud lite is a beer. It’s in the ball park, it’s cheap, and it gets you where you want to go.
Undead can be paladins it’s just agonizing. But so is becoming a demon hunter on the best of days. An undead can choose to suffer great pain if their faith is strong enough. Many have in real life and in fantasy suffered for their faith. There is nothing stopping a undead paladin it just would be rare because most do not welcome agony. But for the devout. They will light themselves on fire and burn to cinders for their faith. In any case. I have an undead priest who DOES use holy magic because it allows her to feel something, anything. Undead have virtually no sense of touch. All their senses except sight and hearing are greatly diminished. It’s masochistic perhaps but she’d rather feel pain than nothing at all. There is psychological basis for this in reality and fiction.
I’ve always loved the idea of an undead paladin. Someone who suffers for their faith. Someone who truly knows the pain of undeath by willingly infusing their body with the holy light. Tantamount to lighting ones self on fire. There is something powerful and even inspiring about that if not absolutely bonkers.
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vavpu’ma’ DImuvpa’reH maSuvtaH8
Qu’ DamevQo’ maSuvtaH, ma’ov
Pretty sure I wasn’t a kid back in 95’ when I joined the Klingon Legion of Assault Warriors (KLAW) but a lot of role-playing and learning how to speak Klingon was part of this group at conventions. Local chapters where pretty fun to hang out with during this time in my life at 22.
Then you got issues on your own to handle if you cannot imagine people would quite due to their immersion being broken due to unwarranted changes that makes 0 sense and decreasing a favorite races esthetics. If you are unable to put on the shoes of others you have no right to claim nor speak for others.
Cool, let people continue to be immersed in a world within the story then, you have atm over 190 combos to pick so you hot plenty of choices to play your way.
They never announced where dreanei originally came from in wc3. Good try though.
Instead of mandatory limitations for everyone, how about you limit the game yourself? You don’t want to play an Orc Pally, then don’t play one. You want to play a Night Elf Shaman, do it? Your desires to limit everyone are disturbing…
