Did you also quit driving when cruise control was invented? Or do you just turn it off if you don’t like it? Does the thought of other drivers using cruise control make you quit driving? No, because that would be asinine? I see.
Thanks for adding absolutely nothing to the post.
To OP. I agree completely. While unhealthy for the game, could you imagine the uproar if they were banned? It would be anarchy and would force a lot of people to quit. I’m afraid we are past the point of no return. Almost like flying…
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Well this exploded. I’m seeing a lot if personal attacks, things taken out of context and ignored, and some actual pretty good discussion. Keep it up guys.
Eat it all yourself of course! 
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Then don’t use them. TSM exists because WoW’s auction house is outdated. Blizzard isn’t updating their AH to combat TSM. They’re doing it because TSM forced them to realize how garbage their own AH interface is.
If boss mods made fights trivial we wouldn’t have such a small percentage of the player base clearing Mythic. RIO helps filter out the mess Blizzard made by giving out free gear to players with no or low skill that didn’t deserve it. 430-440ilvl players that consistently deplete 10 keys which drop 430 loot because they don’t understand their class or the mechanics of the dungeons which award that gear. The amount of entitlement these mouth breathers feel because of gear they afked in a warfront, or did 4 mythic 0s one week, is amazing.
Gearscore was bad because it didn’t give enough information. RIO lets you view a history of that players dungeons. It’s pretty clear when someone is buying boosts or is the problem in pugs. Damage meters are the same. They have a easy to look at number followed by more information if you hover over the bars.
OW is a FPS-like game which of course doesn’t have addons as it relies more on mechanical skill rather than game knowledge and ability to adapt. D3 is an ARPG which is just grinding. D3 has turbohud btw.
tl;dr you quit because you’re bad and making excuses
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I kind of can’t take you seriously when you talk about trivialization of game mechanics when the hardest difficulty you’ve ever made any serious progress through is Normal mode. If you think mechanics are easy, then prove it, go join a mythic guild and kill azshara.
Raider .io exists because the tools in-game do not allow for us to properly determine a player’s skill or capability as item level is a completely meaningless metric.
Damage meters aren’t something any serious player looks at to gauge performance, that’s what Warcraftlogs is for.
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Honestly this is why I don’t like Recount/etc and Raider IO. I don’t like 3rd party add ons “proving someone’s skill” at the game, and either rejecting someone or kicking someone over it. Its one thing to have it - its another to swear by it in ways that you kick people if they don’t meet your thresholds. Do 299k dps instead of 300k? Too bad. So long.
ffxiv has a recount system, but it is against the rules to kick people for sub-par dps. You can have lower dps and do all the mechanics right - and clear - but if you have high dps and always fail the mechanics - you are going to wipe everyone.
DPS isn’t skill, and Raider IO is more of a showcase of how much you do certain content, more than showing how “good” you are at it. Someone that does weekly +10s and raids or higher is probably going to have a higher score, or at least one that “matters” more than someone that does them once every few months but can still consistently clear.
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No one even remotely serious about the game uses damage meters to determine contribution to a kill. That’s what logs are for.
I’m neither for nor against the OPs particular claims. What my post was in reference to was bullying, insulting or looking down on someone based on what they have (or have not) accomplished in a video game. It’s a ridiculous thing to do.
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Looks like he used “the guilt master” fighting style. Particually the account look up version. I’m sorry that one is bad. People need to settle down a bitt.
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I could join a mythic guild. The raids would be hard. They’re designed to be hard. None of this changes the fact that addons make them easier. As it stands now, I don’t have the time many mythic guilds require to spend on a consistent basis. I wish I did. I’m also not fond of other people telling me what spec/class to play, especially when everything is viable. Mythic peeps I’ve run with tend to have that mindset.
Eh… I’m willing to bet with some time a team could actually do it consistently.
Everyone has to stand at one point for the start of the phase.
From what I’ve seen, you need 3x solo/soaks to go get 3 separate orbs away from the stack point, 2-3x help/soaks to go left to soak the lone orb near the column, the help/stays just move forward a bit, the solo/stays soak the two orbs near the stack point to the left and right, a lone help/soak is the anchor for the orb to the right, the march/help run around that anchor, and the march/solo just run away.
That’s what I’ve gleamed from it thus far. I’m not sure I’d call it impossible, but it sure is a LOT easier with the WA (hell I’d even say it’s trivial with it…).
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Has anyone here heard about arms races and the red queen hypothesis?
if the game requires every person do X amount of damage to kill a boss, and someone is doing less than (and the boss isn’t dying because of it)…
Lack of flying won’t ever return wpvp so long as instanced pvp provides lucrative rewards. Phase 2.5 is immediate proof of this being true.
AKA: Im bad at the game and cant be bothered to use addons to improve myself. But I still pay for the game and deserve to have everything in the game without effort.
Addons are a good thing for players who want to improve. Its hard to complain about players who use addons to become better than you when you have the same opportunity to use the same things.
Saying that addons that help players get ahead is bad is like saying walkthroughs and guides cheat the players because they dont learn themselves. While you can argue these points together, there is an equally valid argument for using such material.
Totally agree!
Addons are a true bane to the game.
Many popular games like fortnite, diablo, lol, ff14 etc dont use addons and thrive well.
Shouldnt require addons to finish a raid.
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They’re not needed. People like them, understandably in some cases, but the amount of problems they cause or help cause (as evidenced by many of the comments on this thread) is generally not worth it
I’m not a big raider, but what add ons are REQUIRED for finishing a raid?
oftentimes, raiders require people to use deadlybossmods or some healing addon etc
They sometimes kick u if u dont have them.
Those addons tell u when the boss does something or tell u to move and help u to heal etc
Lets u “play better” but it is totally lame.