the only metric is what is enough to keep you hanging on. tbh at this point the predominant metric is graphics.
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I think if WoW can’t appeal to the newer crowd of players it’ll just go niche and design around what MMO players like that enjoy them.
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I noticed you left out WoD, people were already gone by now in that expansion. I went from a full guild running raids to no one logging in in less than a month. It was bad. No one resubbed after the free month.
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I didn’t leave it out.
I listed the expansions for which I was present at launch.
You can surmise that I was not present for the launch of Warlords of Draenor.
So you weren’t around for the worst one, that’s probably why for many of us this is far from the worst. At least my friends are still here a month into Shadowlands.
LOL…48 years old and still playing after 16+ years. Talk almost daily with a 24 year old coworker about playing it since he plays it too. Not sure you have a firm understanding of things.
But hey you are entitled to your opinion.
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Gotcha.
I’ve read enough about WoD to have a sense of thankfulness that I did not experience that era first hand!
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That’s neat!
So it’s as fun as always to you two? Honestly asking, I’m in with the OP in feeling something is off…
Nothing feels off to you, even though you are still engaged and having a good time?
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Oh even I think something feels off, I just can’t nail it down. I’m enjoying myself for the most part but it’s there.
That however is different from WoW being dead any time soon. People have been saying that since TBC came out lol.
it’s definitely declining. It’s good that you and your coworker are persisting, but to not acknowledge the decline is to give up and admit that all of your WoW stuff will be gone very soon, rather than making any effort to persist on keeping the game going.
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EQ is still going, WoW isn’t going anywhere for a while. Even if it’s a Classic version it will still be rolling on.
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Cackless in late 50’s*
Aging out? Responsibilities?
Son, this is wow! Not Sunday bingo at the retirement home.
I’ve been here since the inception of computers and games. And I’m just getting started.
And me and wow ain’t going nowhere.
Where am I going?
Nowhere.
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I get burnout from time to time, especially with as many alts as i have. But everything in balance. I mostly play the game for PvP and the game changes but i don’t feel anything is “off”. I just think the game changes and i have to adapt to it.
There are certainly things that could use improvement (there always are) but the core of the game is still fun to me. Personally i would like to be able to go do Legion raids as they are 2 expansions behind now and should be solo content. I also think they need to up the drop rates of loot because the game is not all about getting loot, it’s also about playing with the best loot you can get. Those would be my prime examples of things they should fix, but i am still enjoying it yes.
If i had a dime for every time i heard “it’s declining” or “it’s dying” or “the new WoW killer is…” i would be a very rich man. Someday one of these statements will be true because eventually it will happen. However the game ebbs and flows, since it has a new iteration every two years, people come and go, the population goes up and down. Sometimes more up, sometimes more down. I don’t believe in trying to forecast future and just enjoy it while it lasts.
My WoW stuff isn’t going anywhere anytime soon, i have no worries. Even if it did, i will be ok and life will go on.
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Completely agree…
This game wouldn’t die with a subscription base of just 250k players.
I almost never read “Wow is dying” in literal terms. When someone declares a dying game, it’s usually an indication that that given person’s game world is very changed, and I do wonder what that is for others.
I find it so weird how many of us can’t put our finger on the IT.
(I’m personally beginning to think it’s the people… too many have “had enough” and it’s showing.)
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Okay. I see that. I also still enjoy the core game a lot.
(I think that’s why those WQ where I am not playing my class irk me so much. I am not a ghost bear with three abilities thankyouverydamnmuch.)
If I were King of Software, I would seriously skip an expansion season and work on nothing but technical debt. Players would howl over content drought, but boy would they appreciate all the bug fixes on the other side…
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during WoD, after they had a massive drop in subs and stopped reporting them as their success metric, they moved to time metrics.
since then, it feels as though things have slowly becoming more drawn out, more rushed, more designed to keep players subbed and logging in.
sometimes (alot more lately) i feel the things we have in place to keep us playing are there and only getting more drawn out so those metrics stay high, while the active player base dips.
with their focus seemingly being more about getting seen out there being the big thing. AWC, MDI, Mythic races.
the result of which, at least for me, has led to a slow, drawn out loss of interest coupled with that feeling that i dont have much else to do so i may as well keep up on things in game for fear of falling behind.
as others have mentioned the playerbase has quickly run dry of ‘good faith’ in blizzard and i think that slowly coming to a culmination point in shadowlands.
i feel they looked at legion and saw how popular class halls were, how many people got every [or most] classes to cap to experience each story.
and in an attempt to rekindle that success we got covenants. only 4, because they didnt want to something unique to each class.
which is where a big problem stems, you cant balance the covenant abilities to work for all classes and specs equally. you cant create a covenant that sits well, thematically/aethetically with each class (i think druids and DK are the exception) so you “choice” of covenant feels at odds with your class alot of times (Night fae DK is a good example)
it seems anytime blizzard make something good in the past they try to recreate, completely missing what made it good, and trying to layer it down with whatever other thing their trying to push.
the game, slowly, has stopped being fun for many, has become a series of daily chores they’ve been conditioned to do over the course of years and that sort of stockholme syndrome can be hard to break.
people have been asking for things like VP points back, it wasnt the best system, but what it did have going for it was that you could look at the vendor, look at your currency tab and think “ok, i have a goal to work for, in 6 weeks i can have a full set”. whereas in shadowlands, you got no idea how long it will take you to get gear, you just keep running the treadmill and pulling the skinner box level in the hopes that this time a snack will fall out.
in short, i feel blizzard takes the wrong lessons everytime they stumble upon something successful or something the player base likes. and are too heavily focused on keeping players on the hook than making an enjoyable and engaging game.
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Many younger players are passing up on the Mmo genre all together.
Okay well let me explain this to you on why I think some of this is happening.
Okay, so we’ve just had corona virus, I’m glad that’s settling down a little bit now, but here is the reality…
Gaming is for fun, and I am not saying I haven’t made some great friends from wow that will be friends for life, but the fact of the matter is, I have one friend that wants to go with me to a gaming arcade next weekend.
So how do you think I am going to spend my gaming time, on wow with people I will never meet, or with a real actual friend? So yeah I like wow and I love the story and can’t wait to find out what’s happening with Sylvanas and the Jailer, but I do admit that online mulitplayer gaming while I make friends where I can on here sometimes it does make me feel pretty isolated, I mean why would you spend time gaming on wow all day, when you can actually go with a REAL friend to game at an arcade or over at their house or whatever??
The fact is, I mean no disrespect, but to me most of you are just CPU’s that just trash talk and whatnot, this wasn’t a problem for a guildie I had where originally it was just friendly banter, as that’s as far as it would go with my friend at the arcade next weekend, just you know competitive talk, but in recent times it descended into what felt like outright flaming, this is part of why games are starting to feel less fun in general I think.
It also doesn’t help that for some people this whole game has become a big business, I mean the gold sellers have gotten bolder recently, just the other day I got a gold seller in the mail trying to suck me in to offer me their services. But the saddest part of that is that I was actually grateful that it was just a gold seller and not hate mail from another player lol.
Also things like Twitch have ruined everything too in that sense, there was a time when going out playing a game with a mate was fun, these days the amount of randoms I run into that want me to sign up to their Twitch account to help make them money just peeves me off. I mean back in the old days people watched other people play video games because they liked watching, no other reason.
Also has anyone considered that in wow, people actually don’t care about your dps, your raider io score or any of that crap…the only thing that care about is whether you win or lose, but losing and failure is part of life, but when people are so busy looking at where you are sitting on a ladder, well I don’t care about any of that crap, I’m just here for the story mainly this expansion, only reason I cleared normal Castle Nathria was so I could get the next part of the Bolvar quest done long before it comes out on LFR as I may be a bit busier in real life next month.
Also as I’m guilty as this as anyone but let’s be honest, nobody can play a game online these days without getting into a bitter argument about the nature of society, we just can’t help ourselves, I mean to be fair that’s partly because gaming companies have chosen to embrace political causes too. Not saying it’s a bad thing, all art is political I suppose, but if i was out gaming with a friend in real life, I am not going to be asking her her opinions on the feminist movement am I, I am just going to be having fun enjoying the games we playing. Sometimes I feel online that there is pressure to show people that you care about the world’s problems, but what I said to my friend I’m hanging out with next week, that if she wants a fairer more just world and whatnot, then it starts right here with us, being good friends to each other and she agreed with that.
Also, I am probably guilty of thinking a lot of things I probably shouldn’t, I think many of us have impossible expectations where we want the best things we can with least amount of effort, like the way I got Castle Nathria done was just by grabbing people who had already done the fights before me lol.
I am also guilty of hyping up Shadowlands due to my excitement of it, probably why I got disappointed a little at some things lol. I mean if there was no hype, there would have been no expectations and we’d have been more impressed maybe.
Also I think that with a few exceptions, when Blizzard used to make a lot more political mistakes a few years ago, the sad truth is that all those youtubers had a financial incentive to blast Blizzard for their failures, as those videos would get more likes. I mean there were issues like the Hong Kong/China thing, the Diablo Immortal fiasco, and top guys at Blizz calling us rude names on social media lol. Luckily I think Blizzard has settled down a little bit now though on that stuff, but let’s be honest, if Blizzard was to do something really controversial or commit some big scandal, fact is everyone is going to find out about it, and people going to be making youtube videos blasting them. And get paid for blasting them too.
And this results in people calling us still here dumb for still liking Blizzard’s games, but everyone knows that serial muppets like Azchats are just chasing the money trail on youtube, it was more fun when he was blasting WoW and Blizzard day after day, no we are not simps for sticking to Blizzard’s games.
But the way I see it, computing power has more or less hit the wall, technologically can’t really advance any further and doesn’t need to anyway, I mean you go to a Disney movie and the animals look very real now. The only thing they need to do is stop online games and servers from lagging…that’s the only improvement left they need to make.
Anyway, no wow isn’t dying because let’s be honest, you will have the youtube and Twitch morons jump from one thing to the next to chase the money trail for sure, but most of us fans are going to be the next wow expansion anyway, even if it’s going to be another WoD/BFA I mean let’s be honest, we’re all going to do it in two years time.
Especially considering they are talking about more pandemics coming after corona, what a great time in history to be a low-life gaming loser hey?
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thing is, WoD wasn’t as bad as people make out.
…just like SL isn’t as bad as people make out.
the edgelords just need to think they’re… edgy, and complaining about every teeny thing gives them a nice tingly feel. (for a few seconds… and then they need to complain about something else)
about the only thing i disliked like about WoD, was the jumping games for treasures.
i’m bad at jumping games 
settling down a bit?
it’s currently at the most rampant it’s ever been… and thanks to all the crazies who are scared of vaccines, it’s going to be under control until herd immunity is accomplished by people having survived the infection.
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I am not a fan of the uninspired mini-game. In fact, I am openly hostile to such.
/e walks away muttering about tiny minds and the crap they stuff into an open-world MMO.
Well the new President seems to have the situation under control to me, only 100 days of mandatory masks and social distancing then everything will go back to normal, Donald Trump was asleep at the wheel, but even if I think the new guy is grandpa from Rugrats, I think he will get the thing under control.
Basically you know those daily quests where you fill up a bar? That’s all you had in WoD, and only 1 or 2 of them a day, a normal one and a group one. That was it.
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