4 set is already getting a nerf they getting hit with a target cap now u can quit crying
Ironic that the best M+ healer is crying for nerfs for the âbestâ M+ tank but probably thinks Holy is fine in itâs current form for M+, PvP and Raid where itâs an order of magnitude better than anything else.
Yep, letâs just totally ignore that they still hit like a wet noodle in low target situations (i.e. raids), and get absolutely steamrolled by Venthyr prot palas.
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Exactly, even without tier its easy to burst for 25-30k dps on the first and third boss of HoA with double gargoyle, double legendary, and Frenzy+Incarn spam and if your groupâs throughput is comparable, you can still end those fights in the 10-15k range; again all without tier but its just a product of the synergy with the gargoyles.
Or take Sanguine Depths, getting a 5-10 stack of the first lantern buff and then making a massive pull after with Frenzy+Incarn, thatâs an easy way to sustain 70-100k without any tier as a Guardian druid, but again its all about knowing when to use cooldowns.
People seem to get so hellbent when people use cleaver use of mechanics to their advantage and then cry wolf, never ceases to amaze me.
The cap wonât really change too much.
Thatâs likely a poor legendary choice; you generally donât want to use UFR in raids if youâre actually trying to hold threat/parse 
. Plus youâd probably prefer NF over Venthyr in raid to actually convoke spam as boomy during off-tank windows.
Yep, my prot pally pumps even as Kyrian with insane damage consistently with 2pc, its absurd and only will get better with more fear & 4pc.
Even with Draught or Legacy, the damage is still pathetic. Iâm just salty that my co-tank can just pop Ashen and itâs impossible for me to hold agro for more than a couple of seconds if I taunt, because the raw damage output is just so much higher.
This post worked just as intended. Bear Nerfed.
Why would you ever nerf a tank?? Nobody wins from that. We need to make tanking more fun and exciting to keep ppl playing them
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Even with double leggo and 4pc, druids arenât leading the M+ leader boards. So why is this an issue to you?
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Given the numbers from some of the videos I can understand the knee jerk reaction to nerf bears here. And honestly as the original poster and others seem to agree bears donât really mind this. No decent bear was thinking oh yeah I need more survivability and aoe during incarnation this xpac. The issue is bear damage (ST particularly) and threat has been crap all SL while other tanks have been significantly better in these areas.
Itâs just not very fun to play and kind of discouraging. And it almost seems like Blizzard tried to finally address this with the new tier bonuses but they clearly did a poor job and shouldnât be class balancing with tier bonus regardless. Donât really think thereâs a whole lot to be done to fix things at this point in SL so just use the opportunity to hopefully make Blizz more aware of bear damage and threat issues going forward I suppose.
In the end bears are still super survivable which is great and our feral kitteh friends def should probably be first in line for a buff regardless which it looks like they may be getting! 
Just my 2 cents. Hope everyone is having a good day!
Ergo
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congrats???
Overall the change is really inconsequential, no one really cares.
Nerfing tanks is a lose lose.
That means less ppl will play tank spec and more groups sit in Lfg waiting for a tank. So thanks lol
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they just mad cuz they getting out dpsâd by a tank doing 11k
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Looks like there might actually be one here.
Hopefully Iâm reading this wrong but for 15âs it looks like for every dungeon bears are putting up better numbers than cats.
Thatâs because Blizzard didnât actually address ferals AoE issues with these jokes of a buff.
Feral is problem as well, but there are a handful of dungeons where a bear is in the top 100 best DPS runs.
Including one where a bear is the top DPS. And these are in 15âs.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/25#metric=dps&partition=3&boss=12287&bracket=15
Utter buffoonery.
Thatâs also a gimmick run. Like 25 Guardian Druids on H Denathrius.
2 Guardian Druids, both with 4 piece, able to pull larger than they normally would.
Again, everyone needs to give it time to allow most people to acquire tier sets before things level out and normalize
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Yeah⌠no. The 4pc alone is nearly doubling their damage, and that remains true for far more reasonably done dungeons. It doesnât matter that that specific log is a gimmick run, the 4pc is blatantly OP and doesnât need more time for anyone to figure that out. It needed the nerf it got on the 29th and very likely needs quite a bit more.
Heck, this was obvious just from looking at the bonus on the PTR. Itâs a shame that forum got deleted, or Iâd just go quote the post I made in the druid tier set thread about how venthyr bear was probably going to be OP with this (itâs kinda funny that got extended to all bears though), and it needed to be target capped at a minimum (though really, anyone who knows how bear works could see that coming).
People are freaking out because other DPS are running without their 4 pieces, so Bear is looking even more OP than it is. Now thatâs not me denying that itâs strong. And I do agree with the nerfs.
But once most people have their tier sets and legendaries all sorted out, the damage wouldnât look near that insane in comparison.
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My only response to this would be âSo what?â
Because if you looked at the highest keys being done, and the leaderboards, they werenât dominated by 4pc druids. Other classes are doing better.
If bears were overperforming that hard, Iâd think we would see it reflected in the top end keys that were being done. Thereâs definitely druids on there with 4pc pushing the spec to itâs limits. But weâre still sitting a key level or two behind the best BM, PP, VDH runs.
Druid 4pc was just turning gaurdians into absolute key busters in the 15-20ish range. Thatâs high end content to a lot of us, but thatâs heroic level in the grand scheme of M+. It fundamentally didnât really solve the classes issues at actual high level content, and it wasnât even upsetting the meta. So why bother nerfing it?
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