I think we misunderstood the statement by Blizzard. They want to change the drum, meaning they want to patch-progress the drum. Adding a better version mid expansion is equivalent to upgrading the drum to its final version. All things 2.4 except boss value and drum.
We take it that they want LW not desirable a.k.a “locked” for every raider.
It’s our fault to interpret wishfully.
No, in the round table they explicitly said they wanted to change drums to discourage the idea that 20/25 raiders needed to be LW. There’s no misunderstanding here. I wish that’s all it was.
Just remove the drums. Not being able to cheese encounters with it is a good thing.
I also heard that. But this reality is not inline with what was said.
It could be that the 2.4 drum was too powerful so that it “forces” LW on everyone. Delaying that drum could mean that LW is only good in the later phases.
The proposed change… to appease the #nochange folks?
/golfclap
Add tinitus…
If they just came out and said that they’ve reversed course related to drums I’d be fine, disappointed, but fine with it and we could all move on. However, the idea that they might actually think these changes satisfy their original intention is disconcerting at best. I also just can’t seem to get over the part about “fond memories”. That comment is tone-deaf and condescending all at the same time. It smacks of “you think you do, but you don’t…”
Bad idea.
Tinitus was added for when drums became equivalent to Bloodlust/Heroism. Drums in TBC don’t deserve a long effective cooldown.
They’re definitely going to do something like that. Once they see that there’s basically one person who wants drums to function as they originally did, they’re going to reverse this decision and add some sort of cooldown mechanic.
“No-changes” is basically you and a bunch of level 11’s now, btw.
Fine by me. They’re already saying #somechanges, and the inconsistency of some items working as they did in the original patch and other items working as they did in 2.4.3 is stupid.
They should just go with the 2.4.3 version and be done with that. That is perfectly acceptable to #nochanges, anyway, given that it is accurate to TBC.
Adding some new drums that you have to earn the recipe for in ZA is not #nochanges, and this move cannot POSSIBLY be interpreted as appeasing us.
What a brilliant fallacious argument.
Yawn. Break this meta before it even starts.
You know it’s going to me mandatory for nearly every guild who wants to raid.
Classic was ruined by world buff’s and engineering. You can stop the crap before it even starts.
just a quick question. is this some sort of in-season April Fool’s joke?
This.
Just get rid of them or allow them to be used once per fight, like potions.
Once per fight like potions! Once per fight!! Like the other consumables?
We’re getting 2.4.3 as our tbc experience? Who’s the dipstick that chose that? Stop being lazy and give us prenerf crap. This stuff is going to be easier than classic mc with full naxx gear.
There weren’t really that many nerfs until the Wrath patch. Which ones are you talking about specifically?
Yeah, and if it’s too weak (original reason they were buffed in patch 2.3) just up it to like 10% haste for 30 secs once per fight, makes the call to use drums more strategic instead of just a passive buff for the whole fight.
That led to the fond memories we all have of drum rotations as one of the added layers of teamwork in later Burning Crusade encounters.
Are you kidding?! What the hell?!
Who at blizz thought this was a solution? Did they understand the problem at all?? Please change this! At the very least, make drums usable without LW.
ohhhmerrrgaawwwd my parses! Is all I’m hearing here.
I’m speechless. This isn’t a fix or improvement. If you make it 8 yards everyone will just collapse together for the buff. People will find a way to min max.
Either do this…
“[Leatherworking] shouldn’t be a duty for every raid enthusiast.”
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“Jk lol”
Okay so the 2nd quote was made-up, but can I highlight the end of the first quote? Some people defend drums saying that it won’t affect less serious raiders. Despite there being no evidence to support the statement drums won’t affect the average raider, protecting casuals had nothing to do with the design change; the original intent was so that the tryha- er, enthusiasts, wouldn’t feel it was mandatory. Well, that promise has crashed & burned. Unless they were being literal about “every,” since 20 people isn’t all 25.