I think that if she had to be convinced not to do it, she would’ve done it were tall, blue, and handsome not present. Which tells us everything we need to know about her morals as a character.
I mean, people aren’t perfect. And honestly, watch your entire city go up in smoke, and try to show such restraint. It’s not easy.
I grew up with stories about my grandfathers and their time in ww2 (They only told me the good things. I had to hear the gritty stories from my grandmothers). This was before my family migrated to the US, so you gotta think, you know, half your family being killed in the initial blitzkrieg, then several more taken to death camps. How well do you think you would be willing to treat a German?
It’s not a moral justification, but there is such a thing as hysteria caused by emotional distress used in legal defenses. Nor can you blame someone for what they might have done, the take away is that she didn’t do it, and she had every emotional excuse to bring her competency and criminal responsibility into question. Yet, she made the decision not to go through with it.
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Jaina threw a fit and tried to genocide a nation over some buildings bring destroyed.
The Tauren had their town firebombed, and the alliance unleashed the dregs of their prisons on the remainder, and somehow didn’t immediately jump to attempting genocide.
But the tauren are “bad” according to the alloance posters, lol.
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HAHAHA?
Most of former Nelf territory is under the sea, So I’d imagine that majority of blame is both on Legion and nelves themselves.
But sure, Horde is the worst here.
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Jaina literally wanted to trade blow for blow, a city for a city and somehow this is wrong?
I’m pretty sure Horde started the war, so anything happening to them IS the retaliation.
Uh no? After the Horde used it, it was still sitting in Theramore, so Jaina took it and decided to use it for herself to enact justice. Only AFTER she decided not to destroy Orgrimmar did Dalaran take it.
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lmao.
“yeah so this item belongs to Dalaran, but because I found it in Theramore, this isn’t theft.”
Duck outta here.
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Incorrect. Despite Khadgar’s pleas not to, she quit by her own decision.
Given Dalaran’s track record at securing dangerous artifacts, her move was entirely justified.
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Sort of an understatement about a city full of people being wiped out, but okay.
Ummmm, what are you talking about belonging to Dalaran? The Blue Dragons created the focusin Iris, decided it was too powerful after Cata and decided to drop it at the bottom of the sea. The Horde then steals it before they do, use it, then Jaina retrieves it from Theramore.
It didn’t belong to Dalaran or anyone, the Horde probably thought it was used up in the explosion or something.
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They did an excellent job until Azshara. It took actual members of Dalaran to steal from Dalaran.
Wait then what was the entire cutscene about? Her trying and failing to get them to go to war with the Horde?
So what’d the Horde steal if not the focusing iris?
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Baine did it for Taurajo. In fact, he even took the next step and apologized for the Alliance’s actions.
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Garrosh let the Civillians escape, dingus.
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Varian declared the war. The Night elves turned it back into a hot war when they got baited by the Twilight hammer.
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That was a ruse, he wanted more people killed so pretended he was letting people go, those that escaped Theramore were captured by Garrosh and brought to Orgrimmar.
By that logic also I guess Jaina also let the citizens of Orgrimmar escape, seeing that after what Garrosh did, they should have known a counter-attack was incoming and had a week to evacuate.
They did steal it from the blue Dragon-flight, then one of the Sunreavers made a mana bomb out of it and weakened Theramores defences while pretending he was strengthening it.
After that Jaina tried to retaliate against Orgrimmar.
Then, later in MOP the Sunreavers betrayed Dalaran again by stealing the Divine Bell from Darnassus and using Dalaran portals to escape(or they used the portals in Dalaran to get there I can’t remember).
That was strike 2 and what caused Jaina to purge Dalaran.
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Man, even in a thread specifically about the Tauren and what reasons they have to not be Alliance aligned, Alliance posters can’t help but deny every single thing their faction does wrong, while blowing up everything the Horde does out of proportion.
Crazy levels of denial.
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Horde civilian exchanges help with what they believe is a fellow member of the Horde who then requests that they not mention to anyone that they were around. Horde civilian, believing this person might be on an important mission, agrees.
Civilians are captured by Alliance and after refusing to give information about a fellow member of the Horde gets tortured for their efforts to keep quiet.
Alliance fans: “These civilians were OBVIOUSLY Sylvanas loyalists and deserved it.”
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Don’t worry, Alleria’s torturing of civillians and their children will go down the blizzard memory hole where they’ll never have to suffer consequences* of their actions, ever.
*Teldrassil was the exception to this and boy howdy are Alliance fans mad about it.
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Taurajo is way more nuanced than Theramore. The Alliance commander gave civilians a rout of escape. It just so happened that there were opportunistic Quillboar taking advantage of an already known conflict.
Comparing Taurajo to Theramore is laughable.
No he didn’t… His plan was to lure as many Alliance as possible. He didn’t care about civilians.
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Exactly. He didn’t care, and that cuts both ways. He wasn’t trying to kill them all. He let them flee, because they weren’t his target. He wanted the Port the Alliance was using to attack the Horde’s civillian homefront gone, and he wanted as many Alliance soldiers and generals gone in one swoop.
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He captured them. He didn’t care about civilian deaths, but he actively made sure that no member of the Alliance, Military or civilian, escaped Theramore free or alive.
So stop framing it as if this was some kind of redeemable action, he nuked a civilian population. Something the Alliance has never, and will never do.
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