It shows how blindly arrogant pro alliance posters are that they think the Tauren would jump to the side of the faction that had slaughtered their civilians and ignored their plight.
The alliance is every bit as imperialist as the garrosh Era horde, they just get the benefit of the doubt because god forbid the imperialist alliance ever get called on for their crimes.
They refused? I honestly don’t recall that being stated in the lore.
Did the Tauren, like, ask for aid and were declined?
Don’t know if the Tauren asked. Just know that the Night Elves, who are allegedly millennia old Tauren-Friends, did absolutely nothing about it because Night Elves only do things for Night Elven interests.
Yaaaawn listen I’m sorry the Horde is basically worse then the Legion at this point with the crimes it’s committed and people don’t want to have to deal with the consequences of playing as the evil faction, but this whole, “Alliance is just as bad as Horde but they get away with it” nonsense has to stop.
So many times these “Alliance crimes” have been proven to be non-existant or basically jaywalking compared to Horde crimes.
“one tree = every planet the legion has ever visited, minus one.”
Let me rephrase, from the Alliance’s perspective, the Legion is pretty much worse then the Legion.
committing genocide against the Draenei
committing genocide against Humanity
Undead Using blight against civilian populations and experimenting on Humans
Using a WMD on a town without warning
committing genocide against the Night Elves
oh and
So everything up to the last point is worse for the Alliance, but what Sylvanas has done(not by herself exactly, but she played a part) trumps what the Legion has done.
Condemning all of existence to eternal torture>destroying entire planets
Then the Alliance is unintelligent and super bad at basic first grade math.
The Horde has done way worse then the Legion at this point, case in point the Night Elves. The Legion invaded the world 3 times since Tyrande has been alive, but all of those times combined have been less damaging to Night Elves as a whole then the Burning of Darnassus.
Legion: Consume, corrupt, and/or destroy literally countless worlds – every world that they have ever visited ever in the history of the entire universe except for Azeroth.
Horde: burned a tree. broke draenor.
And to the Alliance, the Horde has done more damage.
Except players constantly have the rug pulled from under them with the “evil faction”.
Nobody would mind playing the evil faction. I’d love to play a faction of bloodthirsty conquerors that assert their existence. That’s cool! I would also love to play the “noble savage” that was advertised to me when I first downloaded wow. That’s interesting.
So which is it in the end? If we’re going to have black and white writing, you gotta stop sending meixed signals. And if we’re going to have nuance, you gotta stop defaulting to “pretty races=good”. Show me more racist and cruel humans. Show me indifferent elves. Older lore had glimpses of it, but now it’s kinda gone.
Actually no hate but the Alliance races, whether as part of the Alliance or not, have done wayyyy more damage to everything than the Horde ones did. Namely the Night Elves and Draenei, and I love those races, but for every Orcs genocided the Draenei, which is HORRIBLE, there’s 200 plantets the Draenei settled in and drew the Legion to.
The orcs did horrible things to the Draenei, but that’s kind of on Velen for idk, not standing his ground against the Legion earlier. The Legion has burnt countless worlds that the Draenei settled in, things the inhabitants didn’t ask for I’m sure.
I am honestly surprised Velen isn’t more devastated about this. He was planet-hopping and leaving a trail of destruction behind. You do not need to be a prophet to realize the same will happen on Draenor. So when Guldan tells the orcs they’re in danger because of the draenei, he wasn’t even lying?
Or maybe Velen is devastated, and I don’t know enough about him. But knowing him, I’d imagine the guilt would be eating him alive.
I mean right. Like yeah the orcs did genocide the Draenei but it doesn’t weigh on Velen or them all that the conditions for that to happen and the annihilation of countless worlds are kinda their fault.
I’d imagine with him being a Prophet and all, his sight of the future was similar to Doctor Strange using the Time Stone to see fourteen million possible outcomes of their battle with Thanos and only one where they win. He literally had no choice but to run and hide to those planets knowing their fate but also knowing this was the only possible way to beat the Legion.
This could also explain why he bears no ill will to the orcs despite the genocide that was brought on his people.
I mean maybe, probably, but he’s been wrong before we know that.
The ends don’t justify the means. Plus, we already know he was wrong about his vision of defeating the Legion.
Ya’ll really can’t have a serious conversation before descending into ‘Alliance apologists’ and ‘Horde posters’, huh?
On topic, because we’ve strayed beyond the purview of it, the Tauren remain with the Horde because they share a lot of land with them, for one. To join the Alliance would be to toss the whole Barrens into upheaval, and would leave them very isolated as well. Culturally, they’re far similar to Horde races than Alliance ones, with their heavy focus on Shamanism and ancestor worship. This coupled with years of working and living alongside those other races makes for strong ties that wouldn’t be in Tauren nature to break. On the Alliance, the closest races to Tauren in terms of themes and culture are Night Elves, and… Dwarves. And the former aren’t really too forgiving at the moment, while the latter are the Alliance race that has mucked with the Tauren the most.
In a more realistic sense, keep in mind this question doesn’t take into account the context of the overall narrative, which both times framed the issues with the Horde as ‘Garrosh bad’ or ‘Sylvanas bad’, rather than something systemic with the faction as a whole. While we might see it as strange that Tauren would stay with the Horde after both these incidents, it’s important to recognize Blizzard’s tendencies, increasingly, to ram things through without any care for sense. While the story beats are fairly dumb, in the context of them, the Tauren as a whole haven’t ever been truly betrayed by the Horde in general.
Also, not sure how much stock can be put into Night Elves ‘refusing’ to help the Tauren… their interactions with the outside world are all over the damn place, lorewise. The Tauren’s origin with the centaur came at a time when per the lore, the Night Elves were so withdrawn from the world that most beings didn’t even know they were still alive, and there’s no mention of the Tauren helping them during the War of the Satyr or the War of the Shifting Sands, so one can assume their ties were fairly cut or just let be.
One of those issues with Tauren not getting much lore, their introduction to the franchise has stayed exactly the same and hasn’t kept pace with the lore that well.
That’s what 90-99% of this forum is all about despite the posturing and declarations to the contrary by some of its most ardent defenders.
This is basically it. Tauren have got such little lore other than being “uhh the Minotaurs that are friends with Orcs”.
Camp Taurajo has pretty much.