yeah i remember a few tryhards on my server did a faction change to the alliance when faction changes came out because they’d do more dps due to the human’s weapon skill racials(5 expertise rating?), or at least that was the explanation
i don’t remember any other specifics, though; its been a while
and did the horde ever get something to compare to heroic presence? you know the party-wide(raid-wide?) 1% hit or spell hit racial that draneai got
maybe in classic it was but its heave horde now and that was do to paladins ahd the human racial back the.
Not to mention I thought their initial reasoning was weak. Sure, the humans of Stormwind were cruel and rejected you, but I don’t see why that means you suddenly want to wipe out all life and raise everyone as the undead which makes your split with the Scourge kinda pointless.
There’s Myrel(?) Felstorm and Alonsus Faol, yeah. You could argue Lilian Voss. The most Good Forsaken are ones not following Sylvanas. Wish the “Cult of the Forgotten Shadow” wasn’t completely forgotten and ditched for Old God tentacle crap. I think they could have been a more grounding counterbalance to Sylvanas’s extreme ambition.
umm nope. remember starting in wrath a lot of high end weapons became axes. look at shadowmourne as a good example.
also other horde racials got buffed and became stronger.
horde has had better racials in pve since wrath started. sorry to burst your bubble. it’s why 85% of all the top guilds are horde.
not to mention, why did the high elves who didnt go with kael’thas, leave the alliance? can you imagine having the same races killing you because of your race, repeatedly for like 10,000 years, and when just one of your leaders becomes a bigot, you abandon your faction that has fought alongside you all that time and join your enemies instead? what did stormwind humans have to do with the dude in lordaeron? and wasn’t part of that problem because of a dread lord infiltrating the order of the silver hand ?
allright I just looked it up your words seem to check out
berserking/blood fury vs. 1% hit is a pretty big thing, given that axes weren’t usually worse than swords and maces
though I will say that one faction being better at PvP and the other being better at PvE isn’t a good way to design a game when intuition says the factions are supposed to be equal
Yeah, “cuz Garithos”. Really it was an outside demand for a pretty, more human-like race on the Horde. That outside factor got the High Elves (renamed Blood Elves) in the Horde.
It also didn’t help that the Dwarves and Night Elves were acting out of character and antagonizing the Blood Elves for no reason. But for the latter, it was one of countless dumb, OOC moments for the Night Elves that have to contrive anything elf related for the Horde.
It’s weird that the apparently xenophobic Night Elven people would be the ones to both bring in the most members to the Alliance but also alienate at least two races to the Horde (Blood Elves and Nightborne).
lol dont get me started on nightborne. hehe
They are both just as good in pvp. Unless you’re referring to later expansions where everyman was way too op.
You could argue alliance is better at pve in vanilla because of Paladins but I mean it’s not like you are unable to do pve as horde.
I know it’s not entirely related, but I always thought the Night Elves joining the Alliance was as big of a mistake as Blood Elves joining the Horde. Their society and general attitude had to change drastically to fit in with the Eastern Kingdom races of titanforged.
I think they would have been a better fit in the Horde, on the condition they stayed as noble savages that gave even Grom Hellscream pause. Ideally I would have had Humans, Dwarves, Gnomes and High Elves in the Alliance with Orcs, Trolls, Tauren, and Night Elves in the Horde.
That way the Horde would have had a pretty race from the start that made some sort of sense, and the WC3 Night Elves would fit better with Thrall’s ethos than the Forsaken. Plus it’d make Druid another Horde-only class along with Shaman, then maybe strip mages from Trolls to make the Alliance have Mages and Paladins exclusively.
For me, thinking about “what might have been” in World of Warcraft is often more fun than the game itself.
I don’t think the NElfs would be willing to join the Horde since their first impression of them was to meet them destroying their forest.
eek thats wonderful, actually.
same thing happened to high elves, though. maybe the tauren and night elves couldve made friends and that’s how it started, afterall they share the moonglade via druidism
oh just realized that means no more undead and that kinda screws over arthas storyline. might work better to have undead on the horde so 5 starting races. not sure what the fifth alliance race would be tho…worgen is about the only thing that comes to mind. but they were released at same time as goblins.
Didnt the high elves just get destroyed by the Scourge, turned to Blood Elves then joined the Horde because the alliance didn’t want to help them?
it was that lordaeron guy who turned away help from kael’thas and the high elves, but if you watch the cutscene from warcraft 3, it was a high elf who told kael’thas about it. and this didnt account for the rest of the alliance, just that one guy in lordaeron. they didnt ask the stormwind humans, nor the gnomes nor the night elves nor the dwarves, for help. they followed kael’thas to outlands.
then for whatever reason in tbc, where they retconned it, some of them split off from kael’thas cause they thought he was bonkers and followed lor’themar instead, who made a pact with the naru at shattrath.
but the rest of the high elves, who didnt leave the alliance, are just not mentioned and show up intermittently in various spots in the game, this is a list of just the named ones (theres a bunch of generic ones too) …also jaina is not high elf but she’s silver covenant. these are mostly high elves. but its the silver covenant faction composed of mostly high elves. you can find other races in it also, like dwarves and humans
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Vereesa Windrunner|Ranger General of the Silver Covenant|Alive|The Violet Citadel, Dalaran|
| — | — | — | — | — |
| 
Jaina Proudmoore||Alive|
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Arcanist Adurin|Arcanist, Emblem of Valor Quartermaster|Alive|Silver Enclave, Dalaran|
| 
Aniduria|Food, Drink|Alive|Windrunner’s Overlook, Crystalsong Forest|
| Avareth Swiftstrike||Alive|Silver Covenant Pavilion, Icecrown|
| Arcanist Braedin|Arcanist, Wintergrasp Battle-Mage|Alive|Silver Enclave, Dalaran|
| Caliel Brightwillow|Assistant Innkeeper|Alive|Beer Garden, Dalaran|
| Caris Sunlance|Innkeeper|Alive|Silver Covenant Pavilion, Icecrown|
| 
Coira Longrifle|Brewmaiden|Alive|Beer Garden, Dalaran|
| Scout Captain Daelin|Scout Captain|Alive|Windrunner’s Overlook, Crystalsong Forest|
| Arcanist Firael|Arcanist, Emblem of Conquest Quartermaster|Alive|Silver Enclave, Dalaran|
| Galendror Whitewing|Hippogryph Master|Alive|Windrunner’s Overlook, Crystalsong Forest|
| 
Inzi Charmlight|Barmaid|Alive|A Hero’s Welcome, Dalaran|
| Isirami Fairwind|Innkeeper|Alive|A Hero’s Welcome, Dalaran|
| Arcanist Ivrenne|Arcanist, Emblem of Heroism Quartermaster|Alive|Silver Enclave, Dalaran|
| Laire Brewgold|Brewmaiden|Alive|Beer Garden, Dalaran|
| Lanudal Silverhart|Blacksmithing Supplies|Alive|Windrunner’s Overlook, Crystalsong Forest|
| 
Marcella Bloom|Barmaid|Alive|A Hero’s Welcome, Dalaran|
| Miura Brightweaver|Poisons, Reagents|Alive|Windrunner’s Overlook, Crystalsong Forest|
| 
Moonbell, Anmarie|Stable Master|Alive|Silver Covenant Pavilion, Icecrown|
| Grand Marauder Sai|Grand Marauder|Alive|Silver Enclave, Dalaran|
| Scout Shalyndria|Scout|Alive|Silver Covenant Pavilion, Icecrown|
| 
Stefen Cotter|Bartender|Alive|A Hero’s Welcome, Dalaran|
| Arcanist Rathaella|Arcanist|Deceased|Silver Enclave, Dalaran|
| Sorin Magehand|Mage|Deceased|Underbelly, Dalaran|
| Arcanist Taelis|Arcanist|Alive|Silver Covenant Pavilion, Icecrown|
| Mage-Commander Zuros|Mage-Commander|Deceased|Silver Enclave, Dalaran|
| Captain Elleane Wavecrest|Captain|Alive|The Wavecrest, Hrothgar’s Landing|
| Vas the Unstable||Alive|Wintergarde Keep, Dragonblight|
| Scout Yribria|Scout, General Goods|Alive|Windrunner’s Overlook, Crystalsong Forest|
| Summoner Nolric|Warlock trainer|Alive|Silver Enclave, Dalaran|
| Rulen Lightsreap|Paladin trainer|Alive|Silver Enclave, Dalaran|
| Ranger Selone|Hunter trainer|Alive|Silver Enclave, Dalaran|
| Pathstalker Ralsir|Rogue trainer|Alive|Silver Enclave, Dalaran|
| Naseev|Warrior trainer|Alive|Silver Enclave, Dalaran|
| Matron Alesso|Priest trainer|Alive|Silver Enclave, Dalaran|
| Magus Solgaze||Alive|Stormwind City (briefly)|
| Caladis Brightspear||Alive|Icecrown|
| Hiren Loresong|Quartermaster|Alive|Icecrown|
| Courier Larkspur||Alive|Broken Isles|
| Narasi Snowdawn||Alive|Icecrown|
| Savinia Loresong||Alive|Icecrown|
| Vylene Amaranth||Alive|Isle of Thunder|
| Scout Brightspear||Alive|Broken Isles|
| Arcanist Asarina|Quartermaster|Alive|Icecrown|
| Arcanist Miluria|Quartermaster|Alive|Dalaran|
| Arcanist Uovril|Quartermaster|Alive|Dalaran|
| Aspirant Forudir|Vendor|Alive|Icecrown|
| Bradford Duncan|Vendor|Alive|Dalaran|
| Derek Odds|Vendor|Alive|Dalaran|
| Enchanter Isian|Vendor|Alive|Dalaran|
| Champion Isimode|Vendor|Alive|Icecrown|
| Katherine Lee|Cooking Trainer|Alive|Icecrown|
| Magister Lyanis||Alive|Isle of Thunder|
| Magister Yalis||Alive|Isle of Thunder|
| Magistrix Sanal||Alive|Isle of Thunder|
| Valiant Laradia|Vendor|Alive|Icecrown|
| Arelas Brightstar|Herald|Deceased|Icecrown|
taken from here
'Cause humans are Alliance and the players are human.
(It might also be because people gravitate toward playing the evil side…but I suspect most people, including the thread-starter here, never get past “humans good and orcs bad, right?” and the last fifty or so expansions of retail have certainly not helped there.)
what? i think thrall is awesome. so is baine and saurfang. if memory serves thrall was so awesome people started calling him green jesus. haha
People called him that in original-Classic, because his class could self-resurrect and walk on water.
Mists of Pandaria: Good Alliance and Horde rebels, against the evil Horde leadership. Varian Wrynn’s screamed intention to cleanse Azeroth of the green-skinned aberrations spontaneously morphs into a desire for peace with the Horde. Blizzard dev EXPLICITLY CONTRADICTS THE GAME MANUAL to state that the Alliance is about “Lawful Good overdrive.”
Mists of Azeroth: Good Alliance and Horde rebels, against the evil Horde leadership. The part of Varian Wrynn will now be played by Jaina Proudmoore. The part of Jaina Proudmoore will now be played by Tyrande Whisperwind. The part of Vol’jin will be played by Saurfang. The part of Garrosh will be played by Sylvanas; someone asks Ion about this one, and Ion tries feebly to dodge.
So yeah.
Back and forth, and the only thing shining through here, is personal preference. That’s the underlying thing with most of the statements in this thread. It is probably more nuanced than that, but unless we have info on why each individual chose the way they did, then, well, meh shrug