Forget griefing on Bigglesworth, I want Blizzard to address the harassment toward level 14s on this forum!
Here are some tips on how to read a questing environment. If you roll up to a new area and it’s an even split of Horde and Alliance players, you’ll likely enjoy a very peaceful and polite questing experience. If one side has a slight numerical advantage, you might notice some agitation, a little aggression on the edges. If you ride into an area and it’s crawling with the opposite faction, and you’re the only one of your own around, just pencil that in for a later date and go on to the next quest.
In Hellfire, last week, most of the questing areas were like the first one I mentioned. You might think some kind of truce has been called, and be lulled into a vegetable torpor. Do not be fooled. Remain vigilant!
Alternatively, you could roll a rogue and not have to worry about a thing ever again. I honestly have no idea how non-stealth classes get by. It looks exceedingly stressful. I boosted a warrior and, while questing at Zeth’gor, had to take a piss. After two years of maining a rogue, what a moment of complete befuddlement. I felt like a child in school, raising my hand, ‘What do I do?!’
It’s not griefing if your on a pvp server. Personally I gank because one I’m trying to clear the ally out of the spot I’m questing at so they don’t tag my mobs and two I like to stir some shiet up to break up the monotony of grinding. Sometimes they group up and jump me it’s all I’m good fun I’m not gonna run to the forums and complain.
I mean, if you’re actively going to /laugh and /spit on people in a 2v1 after multiple kills, there’s intent behind doing that. It’s not just killing because red=dead. They’re clearly trying to get a reaction out of the player. It’s 100% a situation of griefing, to literally body camp someone over and over and over so they can’t play the game IS griefing.
I signed up for a PvP server, I accept that. PvP is fun. But there is definitely a line between PvP and this situation. Blizzard can’t do anything about it because the ticket number would be astronomical, but they clearly see that griefing is an issue, or it wouldn’t be a part of their support forums as linked above. If your goal is literally to actively prevent someone from playing the game for large periods of time, that’s griefing. It doesn’t matter if it’s a PvP server. It’s griefing. Do I have to accept that and move on? Of course. I was just contributing one of my experiences to the forum I saw scrolling through lol.
It will never change, just how it is. Doesn’t mean we can’t be angry about it =D
What you’re describing though is just regular world PvP. Killing people and getting killed. If it happens for 30 min straight by the same player to the point where you legitimately can’t play, then it’s griefing.
It’s true what Oldelf said though, people will only pvp with the odds in their favour (generally outnumbering players) and wont attack in 1v1 because there’s a chance they’ll lost the fight.
The people who use emotes reveal more about themselves. It makes no nevermind to me, but you can tell they’re doing it because in all their limited faculties they can’t conceive of anything worse in the world. So, if you avenge yourself, make sure you give 'em a good dose of their own medicine and check the papers the next morning for murder-suicides. It’s probably not them but it’s worth an amused chuckle to think so. Wait, that probably reveals more about myself.
The keyboard turning trash that makes up 99% of alliance bigglesworth is no different. They just run off to whatever layer they currently have the majority population on.
It is in a mmo that is true, however, virtually no one is going to cross a map, much less the world to go avenge you getting ganked. It was like that back in 2006, but not today. I think you would have to set up a new mmo with new rules to encourage that. Maybe harsher penalties for death so people stick together more.
Getting ganked is too rare and inconsequential to matter.
You should have ended this radical rant with Deus Vult.
The definition doesn’t change just because you’re on a PvP server. It’s griefing regardless, it’s just tolerated because it is a PvP server. That doesn’t change what it is.
Like I said, it happens, it’s a few moments of frustration. It is what it is. It’s still sad to spit and laugh at players you camp when you outnumber them =)
As someone who plays on Bigglesworth, it’s the faction imbalance. You just have to deal with it and take solace in the fact that our bg queues are much quicker. For real though, with a shared capitol it really shows you how bad the faction balance is here.
This might be true of modern Blizzard, but it wasn’t true of Blizzard back then. Camping players well beyond what gives honor would see GM intervention, in the form of a whisper asking politely to move on.
They used to intervene for this exact behaviour as said above, because they considered it griefing, regardless of PvP server or not. It’s a fact that it is. They just don’t care enough anymore to do anything about it.
I’m not denying that they can do whatever they want on a PvP server, it doesn’t change the fact that it’s griefing. Me, the player that is being camped by multiple players up to a long respawn timer, is telling you that I feel griefed. They are literally taking away my ability to play the game for a long period of time - that goes beyond just PvP . If it was a once or twice off kill, I wouldn’t care. It’s the fact I got literally sat on and camped for 20-30 min while being spat on and laughed at - and this on its own suggests it’s deliberate and they’re getting a kick out of ruining another player’s frustration. That is GRIEFING. PvP server does not change that fact. They literally wouldn’t have made a support post about griefing on PvP servers if it wasn’t a thing. The only difference now is they won’t do anything about it.
If a level 60 sits and constantly ganks a level 30 in STV repeatedly, is that griefing or do you still just think that it’s fine because “PvP server”
There is no use arguing with people who believe PvP = anything goes. They will keep responding with “PvP on a PvP server” or “there is a PvP solution to your PvP problem.” It’s been the same responses for the last 15 years and it’s not about to change. There’s literally no use in creating these threads.
