Why does Reddit think WoW is P2W?

Murdercarpet-zuljin · October 23, 2022, 1:41am

People who can afford to pay for a carry every week can get fully geared.

Brewa-hyjal · October 23, 2022, 1:42am

The bigger question is why you wasted time/money getting raid gear instead of just spamming M+.

Teken-earthen-ring · October 23, 2022, 1:42am

you can’t buy more hours in the day. It is physically impossible, so the time is equal.

Grimthyr-thrall · October 23, 2022, 1:42am

Once you get into that territory then every online game is p2w.

Its only fair to call the game p2w if the game itself sells you the “win”.

Is overwatch pay to win if I pay my neighbor who is better than me to come over and win matches on my account? You have to be reasonable at some point.

Barne-ashkandi · October 23, 2022, 1:43am

I mean if I have a glad mount I’m winning. End of story bud.

Grimthyr-thrall · October 23, 2022, 1:44am

Yea but the game didn’t sell you the mount if tokens aren’t a thing

Brewa-hyjal · October 23, 2022, 1:45am

I think the only thing you’re “winning” is more derision.

Somebody with bad gear performs poorly, people think, “well, he’ll get better, hopefully”.

Somebody with really good gear or exclusive skill mount performs poorly, everyone thinks “what a loser - can’t play unless somebody’s carrying him”.

Kazden-tichondrius · October 23, 2022, 1:46am

I’ll explain it slower to you since you’re having trouble grasping it.

I pay someone gold that I bought with real money.

They take that money and perform a service for me.

I get done in 30 mins.

I go do literally anything else.

Meanwhile you’re still waiting to fill your group.

I win.

Now go piss off.

Barne-ashkandi · October 23, 2022, 1:46am

Cosmetics are king.

Barne-ashkandi · October 23, 2022, 1:48am

Shame is something for losers.

Frodie-ashkandi · October 23, 2022, 1:50am

I mean if I can GDKP an item to myself that I paid for with gold how is that not pay to win?

Replace that with paying someone millions of gold to run me a myhtic of the current raid with all clothies passing me the gear?

If I can turn real money into player power then is that pay to win?

Snozy-thrall · October 23, 2022, 1:50am

Yet anyone else who didn’t buy gold can do the same thing.

You’re wrong. Take the L

Maurdeth-moon-guard · October 23, 2022, 1:51am

Then have some others from elsewhere.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/winning
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/win

Win

Verb (used without object), won, win·ning.

to finish first in a race, contest, or the like.

to succeed by striving or effort: He applied for a scholarship and won.

to gain the victory; overcome an adversary: The home team won.

Slang. to be successful or competent and be acknowledged for it: My sister wins at getting the biggest bargains.
Compare fail.

Verb (used with object), won, win·ning.

to succeed in reaching (a place, condition, etc.), especially by great effort: They won the shore through a violent storm.

to get by effort, as through labor, competition, or conquest: He won his post after years of striving.

to gain (a prize, fame, etc.).

to be successful in (a game, battle, etc.).

to make (one’s way), as by effort or ability.

to attain or reach (a point, goal, etc.).

to gain (favor, love, consent, etc.), as by qualities or influence.

to gain the favor, regard, or adherence of.

to gain the consent or support of; persuade (often followed by over): The speech won them over to our side.

to persuade to marry; gain in marriage.

British Mining.
a. to obtain (ore, coal, etc.).
b. to prepare (a vein, bed, mine, etc.) for working, by means of shafts or the like.

Noun

a victory, as in a game or horse race.

the position of the competitor who comes in first in a horse race, harness race, etc.
Compare place.

Slang.
a. a success, or something good: She was having a bad week, so she really needed a win.
Compare fail.
b. the state or quality of being successful or good: There was so much win in last night’s episode!
Compare fail.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/winning
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/win

Win

Transitive Verb
1a : to get possession of by effort or fortune

b : to obtain by work : earn striving to win a living from the sterile soil

2a : to gain in or as if in battle or contest won the championship

b : to be the victor in won the war

3a : to make friendly or favorable to oneself or to one’s cause —often used with over won him over with persuasive arguments

b : to induce to accept oneself in marriage was unable to win the woman he loved

4a : to obtain (something, such as ore, coal, or clay) by mining

b : to prepare (a vein or bed) for regular mining

c : to recover (metal) from ore

5 : to reach by expenditure of effort

Intransitive Verb
1 : to gain the victory in a contest : succeed

2 : to succeed in arriving at a place or a state

Noun
1 : victory especially : first place at the finish (as of a horse race)

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/winning
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/win

Win

verb
us /wɪn/ uk /wɪn/
present participle winning | past tense and past participle won

[Intransitive or Transitive]

To achieve first position and/or get a prize in a competition, election, fight, etc.:
Who won the World Series?
He won first prize/a bottle of wine in the raffle.
Who’s winning?

[Transitive]

To receive something positive, such as approval, loyalty, or love because you have earned it:
Her plans have won the support of many local people.
This is Jamie, the four-year old who won the hearts of the nation (= made everyone love him and/or feel sympathy for him).
She would do anything to win his love.

noun [Countable]
us /wɪn/ uk /wɪn/

An occasion when someone wins a game or competition:
It was the team’s sixth consecutive win this season.
Everyone was predicting a Republican win at the last election.

Something useful or positive that you achieve:
We need to aim for quick wins - projects that will have an immediate impact.
Breaking down activities into a number of small wins concentrates your attention on what is possible.

verb [Intransitive/Transitive ]
us /wɪn/present participle winning | past tense and past participle won us/wʌn/

To defeat a competitor, or to achieve first position or get a prize in a competition:
[Intransitive] Did they win last night?
[Transitive] Our team won the game!

verb
uk /wɪn/ us winning | won | won

[Intransitive or Transitive]

To be the best in a situation where several people, organizations, etc. are competing:
If she scores the next point, she’ll have won.
He won the election by 2,385 votes.
[Win an argument/battle] : Graves won the battle for control of the organization.
His [barristers said he had no [chance of winning this [case.
[Win easily/handily/decisively]

[Transitive]

To succeed in getting something that other people, organizations, etc. are also trying to get:
[win an award/contract/order] : The UK property firm is favourite to win the [contract for the bank’s new head office.
[win sb sth] : The big question is whether her actions will win her votes.

[Transitive]

To receive approval, support, etc. for something, especially when you have made a big effort to get it:
[win (sb’s) approval/support/confidence] : The property tycoon has won the support of shareholders.
[win sth from sb] : The proposed merger broke down last [week after failing to win approval from the US government.

[Intransitive]

To get advantages from a situation:
When we use green technology, we all win with a cleaner environment as well as jobs growth.

noun [Countable, usually singular]
uk /wɪn/ us

A successful attempt at achieving something such as a prize or reward:
The polls predicted a Conservative win.
[a win for sb] : The passage of the bill is a significant win for supporters of offshore drilling.

I didn’t realize I was talking with Mister Dictionary.

Snozy-thrall · October 23, 2022, 1:51am

No.

Because anyone can buy a boost.

Murdercarpet-zuljin · October 23, 2022, 1:51am

A: “OMG, you got that mount, how did you do it?”
B: “I bought carries with gold I earned on the AH.”
C: “Wow, I should try that, those mounts are cool!”

Snozy-thrall · October 23, 2022, 1:52am

You can’t win in an mmo so there is no winning.

You lose again.

Brewa-hyjal · October 23, 2022, 1:53am

Or get carried by a friend.

All this phony streamer-driven outrage would be a lot more believable if people had freaked out over friendship moose back in WoD.

Instead, it gets a community spotlight from Blizzard.

Blizzard has no issue with people getting carried.

Maurdeth-moon-guard · October 23, 2022, 1:53am

Again, it depends on your definition of winning.

Sogra-earthen-ring · October 23, 2022, 1:54am

Just because PLAYERS sell boosts for gold does not make the game Pay to Win. Blizzard does not offer raid or achievement clears themselves. Frankly, nothing ticks me off more in gaming discourse than people blaming the developer for voluntary player behavior, as if they are all automatons who have no agency.

Kazden-tichondrius · October 23, 2022, 1:54am

What L?

This moron is arguing with me about saving time. Sure the total dungeon time is relative, but if I can fill my groups with carrys I will out gear him faster.

Imagine I know it’s hard, but I pay someone to run me in full plate the whole group. They have the gear so it’s not upgrades. They funnel all the gear to me.

In a fraction of the time I have out geared you and am more powerful for it.

I win.