Because the game is old obsolete and will die in 3 months, usually the people who want changes are because they want this game to last minimum until WOTLK.
Classic-wow died 3 months after leaving and TBC-CLASSIC is flying to the same destination
I’ll see you crying in this forum in September when the servers have 400 players online and you can’t make content. “Oh go don’t play.” This is not retail-wow.
And another round of wishy washy posts.
And here are some facts which you never consider:
They will and they do. Full clear kara and 3 raid groups, gruuls/mags on 2 raid groups and we don’t even remotely care what spec people come to raid as.
50g in 15 minutes does depend on the server but 50g in 30 minutes doesn’t there is plenty of 100g/hr raw gold farms. My argument still holds true whether it’s 30 minutes or 15 minutes.
Never said that, but it is a good rule of thumb.
Never said that, but the devs did. They want to make changes that keep in the spirit of the indivudal game and don’t harm the competative enviroment. Dual spec does not fall into this category.
The api changes is such a tired argument, it doesn’t matter, or affect gameplay in the slightest.
Game does need a gold sink, but I have better ideas for that surrounding the TCG items, just add the spectral tiger back in the game for 500k gold.
Dual spec isn’t necessarily a gold sink in the modern economy just an inconvenience to swapping specs, which is still keeping in the spirit of its originally design, its supposed to be punative to prevent that behaviour, and it still is. Mission accomplished.
Argumentum ad populum, logical fallacy. Majority of people would want free cars/healthcare/anything if it was offered to them. I would take steroids if it was legal to do so. Just because people want something doesn’t mean the idea is inherently good.
Theres a book you should read called “The systems: who rigged it, how do we fix it” it goes over how people will consistently vote against their own interests, basically because most people are dumb, so if 99% of people wanted something still doesn’t mean its a good idea.
Everytime someone makes this argument I immediately dismess them as stupid, because it is possibly the dumbest argument you could ever make.
They also decided, LFD and LFR was a good idea. So go play retail with that logic.
Now you are starting to understand the intent of the original design. To force players to specialize the same way they do with professions.
Dual spec actually does the opposite, it removes content from the game because it removes the necessity to engage in different gold farming practices to fund your unhealthy gameplay behaviour.
And just because a minority don’t want a change, doesn’t mean that a conservative way of thinking is good (slavery, environmental pollution, …).
I also doubt that you are playing TBC on a computer you did back then.
Oh yeah, sure! We all love to respec just to log off. Use your 50 IQ: Why do you think they are going to respec? Farming in the badlands doesn’t generate any content! Playing dungeons, raids, PvP (bgs or arenas) does though! And now combine 1+1: They respec to play dungeons/raids/pvp…
The rest of your answers were as stupid!
Aight now I know you’re a troll.
I never made that argument, just pointed out your own logical fallacy.
I am debating the idea based on it’s merrit, you are debating the idea on its popularity or lack-there-of. So in this scenario you would be the slaveowner if you were born in the south, or the anti-slaver if you were born in the north because you are the one who has shown to be incapable of distinguishing a good idea or a bad idea based on its merrit. You just follow mob rule.
I still actually have the computer I played tbc on, might boot it up and give it a shot.
Then log off and quit retail tourist, you’re not needed.
I just made the opposite argument to show how dumb yours was. Of course it doesn’t have to be a good thing only because the majority wants it - but the same goes for the minority. So using this as an argument is dumb.
But an important fact you don’t get from it: The majority is the group of people keeping the game running. So it’s in the best interest for the overall community, the game and therefor the devs, to go with the wishes of the majority.
Easy as that!
Same goes for you. So why don’t you take your own advice?
How do you figure your opinion on whether someone deserves to enjoy the game is relevant? You’re nobody. A hypocrite in all honesty. I come to check the forums every now and then to see if there’s any interesting blue posts(lol) and all I see is your small community of #nomorechangesonmywatch are just hounding everyone.
There’s already many changes. There’s going to be more changes. Your opinions do not matter in either regard.
P.S. Idc about the respec costs. I’d pay 5-10k gold to be able to dual spec. A qol feature you wouldn’t have to even use if it’s so terrible! Crazy right?
Then you made another logical fallacy called a strawman, because you’re attacking a position I never held. You are actually attacking your own logical fallacy with another logical fallacy.
I do not believe that because a minority holds an opinion that the opinion is correct. I do not believe that because the majority holds an opinion that the opinion is correct. I debate every idea based of its own merit filtered through my own perception of good and bad.
I think you need to take a couple introduction college courses man or go back to highschool and pay attention this time.
This isn’t the original TBC experience, Blizzard is going to change it either way. It’s better that we try to change it in a way that follows in the spirit of what Classic devs may have done than just let them have their way.
Look what happens when they go away and bring us some random Blizzcon news that nobody asked for??? You get boosting and store mounts.
I agree with the OP. People don’t decide to play FF7 and complain about the blocky graphics. People don’t play the original Mortal Kombat and complain about how the ninjas are just color swaps.
But yeah, Blizzard opened this door by having changes in the first place. Since they’ve changed somethings, everything is now on the table. It is what it is. But hey, the slippery slope is a fallacy right?
I didn’t attack you, I showed you the easiest way how dumb your position is, to take the same kind of argument from the opposite side.
But it seems you are not be able to understand it, so the “max 50 IQ” theory got a significant evidence! At least you figured out that the opposite argument is stupid, hopefully you can make the same step in your mind when looking at yours again!
Great, so don’t come up with such a stupid argument. You took it as counter argument for my point, that the majority wants it, not realizing that the thinking behind the argument was:
Also a reason why retail is so bad. The devs have stopped listening to the community. They just implement stuff that is hopefully keeping people in the game paying subs with the lowest possible effort. Why do you think so many good devs left Blizzard at that point?
You attacked an idea, not me personally, the fact you can’t distinguish between the two is a huge problem in your brain. I do not take personal offense to someone disagreeing with me and it is not an assault on my person.
Again you didn’t make a argument from “the other side” you made the exact same logical fallacy again. The logical fallacy is making an argument based on its popularity or lack-thereof. I am not doing that, you are doing it and you did it TWICE. I’m actually falling over in my chair laughing at how you could be this slow.
Get a mirror bud, you have the intellect of a 5th grader because you don’t even know what logical fallacy’s you’re making, or have the wherewithal to. idk. google them and think critically about the arguments you’re making.
YOU MADE THIS F’ING ARGUMENT YOU DULT.
This is straight up like arguing with a 5th grader, you don’t even know what you don’t know. I’m not on the internet to teach people introduction to logic: 101
The ways I see it, TBC is something like a 67 Camaro. What makes it a classic is what it is. Sure the gas mileage is crappy, and maybe the seats aren’t as comfortable, but that’s what makes it a classic. Once you start making changes to it, at some point it’s no longer a 67 Camaro. It might have the frame of one, but it doesn’t feel like one.
Indeed, I did and
made that already crystal clear!
Impressive that it was enough to get a M.Sci. first class honours degrees 
You know, that kind of education making me your boss in real life…
No! I never said it has to be the best idea because its the wish of the majority. That was just the position you were attacking…! But what I have said was:
Seriously, get your 50 IQ together, it isn’t that hard!
You do not have a M. Sci degree, and if you do, its from the university of phoenix or you need to return it.
I am retired, I have no boss. I know I’m just feeding a troll at this point, but it is 2 funny honestly how you can make logical fallacy after logical fallacy and not realize it. Actually lmao. Do red herring next please. It like you’re pulling examples out of a text book, its actually kinda brilliant if you are a troll.
The description of your life. I will make sure that “logical fallacy” will be the words on your grave stone!
Here’s my take on it…
I want it to be mostly true to original BC form with some quality of life changes that won’t really too much effect the gameplay or difficulty.
Having to respec 1-2 times a week to raid at 50g a pop is terrible. Dual spec should be a thing
LFG should be a thing
Having to sit in a lfg channel where people spam 3-4 times in a row each over and over is annoying and unnecessary
Sitting in Q for 1 hour to get 200 honor is ridiculous. No reason merc mode couldn’t be implemented or a honor modifier based on Length of time in queue.
0-20 minutes. - normal honor
21-40 minutes 1.5 x honor
41-60 minutes 2x honor
61 mins +. 2.5x honor
This is just a small list of examples but we already played through it once the original way. This is supposed to be fun not a 40hr a week full time job to feel like you’ve got the gear to be relevant.
When they remade the mustang and Camaro 20-30 years later did they make it the exact same as the 60-70s versions? No they used it as a baseline and made modern tweaks to improve the quality. Same thing should be done here
no it doesnt mean IT MUST. it means it CAN and there is precedent for it. changes aren’t out of the question or completely uncalled for.
i understand no changes for classic vanilla. there was a lot of demand for the original game to be as is, but where was the big demand for no changes TBC?
And they still made quite a few changes to it. The api system was completely different from last time, just as an example!!!
It’s almost like
gasp
TBC is not this perfect flawless game with no problems or issues, that you think it is
IMAGINE THAT