Fair enough. Would certainly have fit the theme of the last half of the expansion. Ending the cycle and all that.
The whole argument of âThe factions need to have clear distinctions!â is also straight bs. Just look at the feature of mercenary mode, which should also have a PvE alternative as well.
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Yeah⊠I donât really see why the factions canât at least be relaxed so you can group up together.
Especially given the current narrative.
Nightborne, HMT, LFD, mechagnomes⊠They all have reason to be ok with both sides.
But you still get to dictate what people say based on your standards?
Again, Blizzard controls everything that happens in game. If they really wanted Belves as Alliance for instance, all they have top do is come up with a reason why THEY think it would work.
Iâm not dictating. Iâm stating my opinion that if youâre going to be mean to other players because you donât like a race, then youâre a mean person. How does it even accomplish anything?
You are a free person and can continue to be a dick all you like.
I mean⊠They did. They gave us Void Elves. Theyâre Blood Elves on the Alliance. They changed them to void because they wanted them to be more distinct.
Again though this is an odd argument. Do you want them to rewrite what is already in game and erase the Mechagnomes? Kulâtirans? Why do you get to dictate what is good lore or not?
Customization.
Characterization.
CharacterâŠ
EffortâŠ
CareâŠ
I can go on.
Basically, itâs a race of gnomes, that are more gnome-y than regular gnomes instead of being different in some way. While thatâs hardly out of the question for ARs (just look at moose tauren, brown orcs, and void elves), this was what that alliance was handed opposite the Vulpera. A brand-new, custom race that obviously had a lot of love put into their conceptualization, modeling, and animations.
Dual faction games like WoW are very much tit-for-tat where faction-specific releases are concerned with both sides keeping a keen eye on what the other faction gets. And here we simply have a case of the Horde getting a race that had a LOT of thought and care put into it while the Alliance did not.
Normally this wouldnât be that big of a deal. People could just whine about it and everyone could move on. However, it came at a time where the Alliance is suffering from major population/participation drain with people abandoning it to go horde, and it followed a similar failure in the Kulâtirans vs the Zandalari Trolls where the Zandalar were well received and people hated the Kulâtirans.
It just feels like another nail in the coffin. At a time when the devs should be taking extra care to make sure the Alliance is up to snuff, they whiffed what should have been two easy pitches in a row. Instead of getting, at the very least, races that could have been argued over (which race is better? Of course itâs mineâŠ!) pretty much everyone agrees that the Kulâtirans are little more than fat humans and nobody likes them. I mean, theyâre less popular than Pandarans, which should tell you something.
They really, really needed to slam dunk the Mechagnomes. Instead the Mechagnomes got dunked on by the Vulpera.
Itâs just not what the Alliance needed or deserved.
The Alliance deserves better.
We deserve better.
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Iâm saying that no one can hide behind a lore defense because lore is whatever the devs want lore to be.
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ThanastasiaâŠquit reading my mind. Itâs getting creepy 
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We deserve better.
Who is this we you are talking about? Mechagnomes are easily higher effort then vulpera. They have an entire city deisged around them with probably the best quality dungeon in BFA and are a very powerful race lose wise. They are also the first cyborg race and have more custom options then vulpera.
They have unique arms and legs and matching head customization. Theyâre cyborgs. We have that.
Theyâre clearly an evolution of the Gnomes in much the same way as the LFD are an evolution of the Draenei. To your point later on I can kinda concede this one. They are fundamentally gnomier gnomes. Still I donât think thats something to be balked at.
If you donât see their character thats kinda just on you. Theyâre got a ton of it. Wander around Mechagon again. Listen to what theyâre saying doing and read the quests. There is plenty of character.
Both of these I see in Mechagnomes. Theyâre an amazing race with very detailed models. I like them considerably more than Iâve ever liked my gnomes in these regards. Plus they add to the Gnome story and lore.
They are a new race and no one can counter that point. No other AR falls into this same category. But I think that those who put in the work on Mechagnomes likely feel they put in lot of love to their creations. And those of us playing them certaintly are enjoying them very much.
Fundamentally though the Vulpera are just the Goblin skeleton with a fox skin. The added animations are of the same caliber and additions the Mechagnomes have had. Many of our animations are modified from the Gnomes. Nightborne and Zandalari too have significant modifications to many of their animations.
And the KulâTiranâs are a brand new rig entirely. something the Vulpera do not have going for them.
Fundamentally true I suppose. Folk have always had opinions about the races added. Whether it was blood elf vs Draenei, Worgen vs. goblin, or any of the ARâs.
I get your opinion, but I think differently. The Mechagnomes had a great deal of care and work put into them. So did the Vulpera. Their only issue is that theyâre being compared to an AR seen as being totally unique, as it is a new race, despite it being like every other AR a reused skeleton.
Iâve seen as of yet no actual proof of this beyond a statistical site that shows what a small sect of players with a mod have run into.
The only time I have so far noticed any drop off has been during off periods after a patch or in this case the expansion has been winding down do to lack of content to do.
Other than that Iâve seen the raiders moving Horde because thats where their playerbase is. Easier to find pugs especially given the dropoff of player numbers as the expansion is winding down.
personally I have not seen anything that to me, again just my opinion here, that shows that ANY race would actually draw end game players back to the Alliance at current.
I can understand this. Its easy to see the Vulpera and think theyâre better. Theyâre a new race. Theyâre foxes. but ultimately that is all that they have going for them. Their racials while utilitarian for certain situations are rather lackluster. Mechagnomes on the other hand have amazing racials for endgame content. And while not a ânewâ race they are cyborgs, which is neat on its own.
And as I mentioned above Vulpera are still fundamentally just a reskinned Goblin, with some modified animations, which is the same setup for the Mechagnomes. A reskinned gnome with modified animations. (I know I know. We didnât get floofy tails.)
I accept your opinion. Though I disagree with it, I got a wonderful and exceptional AR.
Its a foolish concept. Blizzard writes the lore, someone complains that they should write better.
It ignores that we already have the lore⊠Mechagnomes are here, Vulpera are here. Currently they are supported for the sides they joined.
Its like claiming that the Humans should be Horde because you want them to be and no other reason. then someone saying but Humans in the lore wouldnât likely join up, and you saying theyâre wrong because they brought up the lore.
Everyone. Everyone who plays WoW. Nobody benefits from low-quality content. Not anyone on the faction it gets shoveled into, and not anyone on the opposite faction who have to stare at it in PvP or camp it at meeting stones.
Maybe. Maybe they were.
Which just makes it worse since none of it matters. You can move a mountain. If nobody appreciates it you might as well not have moved it in the first place.
Itâs a dungeon. Not a city. Let me know when I can visit mechagon on my alliance alts and buy stuff from venders.
Doesnât do anything for the AR itself. They are not their dungeon. They exist apart of it.
Iâm going to assume you mean âlore-wiseâ and point out what Thanastasia said.
Until it gets roughly 9x more people to make Mechagnomes, they donât have great lore either. The proof that they suck as an AR is simply evidenced in how rare they are.
None of which matters since nobody plays them. Meanwhile âfur the hordeâ is everywhere. You literally cannot hide from it.
There is exactly one measure of an ARâs success, and that is character participation. Vulpera are everywhere while Mechagnomes are not.
Itâs great if you like mechagnomes. Power to you.
The devs still need to do better. A lot better.
And lack transmog options to an absurd degree. Fail.
And I did say that was an acceptable path for ARs to take. Iâm not complaining that theyâre an evolution. Iâm saying theyâre an evolution when they needed to be more just based on what they were giving to the horde because of the tit-for-tat nature of a dual-faction game like WoW.
I mean, there was anticipation surrounding the race reveals, and the mechagnomes just fell completely flat. Nobody was cheering for them, and almost nobody bought racechanges. Not in comparison to the Vulpera, which is what the alliance sorely needed.
I can and I do.
I think they should have made braver choices.
Imagine if instead of mechagnomes they had been âjunker gnomesâ and had been based more on the Warboys from Mad Max: Fury Road. Expand Bondoâs yard into some kind of race-track around the island and have them fight the mechagnomes from Mechagon in high-octane vehicular combat a.la the fast and the furious 7.
So instead of running around an island doing yet more daily quests you would go to the island, hop onto some kind of crazy vehicle, and then play a bunch of rotating mini-games.
For the race themselves keep the cybernetics, but add more desert-punk aesthetics in the vein of Mad Max, Desert Punk, Try-gun, IGPX, etc. Make countless references to games like Sonic the Hedgehog (âLets juice!â, etc)
Instead of mirror images give them some kind of crazy dash racial in-line with goblin rocket-jump or the worgen sprint (but actually good).
No. They donât. Theyâre just gnomes with more concentrated gnome-ness. Again, there would normally be nothing wrong with that, but they needed to be more. The timing was just off.
Donât confuse work with care. They were definitely a lot of work, but no real care went into their conceptualization.
I truly feel for the dev who had to cut the legs off of all of the pants in the game.
Lots of work.
Zero value.
All five of you.
I get that you like the mechagnomes. Go you! However, you absolutely cannot argue that there are not many of you. Mechagnomes just fell flat. They failed. They are a failure of an AR.
You are playing a cult classic. 'gratz!
Also, if they ever fix them, you get to be a hipster about it.
Again, and nobody plays kulâtirans so all that workâŠfor nothing.
Itâs not about how much work goes in. Itâs about how much benefit you get from doing it. They worked hard, but not smart.
Check any leaderboard. Any of them. Any of blizzardâs leaderboards, any of the boards at RaiderIO, or wowprogress. They all paint the same picture: The alliance is dying.
Ask anyone who recruits for mythic or heroic raiding guilds, or for organized PvP guilds. Youâll get the same answer from all of them.
The alliance is dying.
Again, neither the Kulâtirans nor the Mechagnomes could save the alliance. But the both of them being failures definitely doesnât help.
They also have a massive population of players playing them. Theyâre the second most popular race in the Horde behind Blood Elves.
Thereâs a difference between saying the devs need to write better lore, and using the lore to justify something else (like trying to use lore to prove how mechagnomes are NOT a failure of an allied race, when nobody plays them in spite of them having one of the most ridiculously easy unlocks to earn).
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Everyone. Everyone who plays WoW. Nobody benefits from low-quality content. Not anyone on the faction it gets shoveled into, and not anyone on the opposite faction who have to stare at it in PvP or camp it at meeting stones.
Including the people at the mechagnome love thread? And yes there is a Mechagnome discord. At the rate we are growing we may be one of the biggest allied race discords around.
Maybe. Maybe they were.
Which just makes it worse since none of it matters. You can move a mountain . If nobody appreciates it you might as well not have moved it in the first place.
Are you suggesting we also delete any race with under 3% fanbase population? You guys really need to get new line already. This standard nobody wants etc gets old and it is just downright false. Popularity doesnât measure a races success unless. It is all about what the allied race brings to the said faction.
Itâs a dungeon. Not a city. Let me know when I can visit mechagon on my alliance alts and buy stuff from venders.
Rustbolt is a city open to both factions. And even so. So what? The Vulpera only have a small hideout.
Until it gets roughly 9x more people to make Mechagnomes, they donât have great lore either. The proof that they suck as an AR is simply evidenced in how rare they are.
None of which matters since nobody plays them . Meanwhile âfur the hordeâ is everywhere . You literally cannot hide from it.
There is exactly one measure of an ARâs success, and that is character participation. Vulpera are everywhere while Mechagnomes are not.
Many races that arenât popular are highly respected for their existence in the game. Goblins, dwarves, void elves in particular.
To boring when it comes to Transmogs, and really not into the cyborg theme, the original Gnomes are good enough for me. But this kind of thing happens when you deliver a AR to a little segment of the Alliance Community. Maybe the Devs should spend equal time researching the Communities of both factions equally so they can make as many people as happy as they can on both sides instead of assuming what makes people happy.
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Lol only a few people like to play them and you have to defend yourself for your embarrassing choice.
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No one likes these scrap limbed beta derps. Just like how no one likes the OG derps either.
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If your argument depends on the skeleton on a 3d character, your argument is running on fumes.
Look, we get it, you have to defend your choice, but SKELETON? THAT is your defense?
LOLOL
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So now youâre moving the goal posts from successful and liked to ârespectedâ.
Yeah, theyâre not respected, either.
You guys are taking this personally, this is about the devs.
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You guys are taking this personally, this is about the devs.
Personally? If you really want to see who is taking this personally, go to the Sethrak and Vulpera discords and look at their responses about Mechagnomes. Its just countless rants about how mechagnomes were a waste of an allied race slot and stuff. We are just defending ourself from the constant tripe these people keep spreading about us. Is like the pandas situation all over again and pandas were a great addition to the game popular or not.
But why waste your time? You canât control how someone else feels about them and they arenât talking about YOU.
They donât even know who you are.