PLEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASE. I’m begging you…BEGGING YOU. Quote me where I said anything about the spec. Beggind you.Please. Please. Pleae. Please Please please please please.
Anything in Classic is feasible just because classic is, for the most part, very easy. People confuse that with “viability”. The fact of the matter is that there’s a reason each class in classic has a conventional approach in terms of build and rotation; taking that approach will lead to better performance unless there’s an enormous gear or skill gap.
People want melee Hunter in classic to have been a thing but the fact of the matter is that it’s far worse than ranged Hunter. All the scaling was on the ranged toolkit side, particularly with Agility giving 2 ranged attack power per point. Raptor Strike hit hard but it was a 6 second cooldown; aside from that Mongoose Bite required a dodge and didn’t hit nearly as hard and the other two melee abilities were CCs intended for escaping melee. So it’s not like you can just outskill your way to melee being better. There are videos out there of Hunters beating people in PvP by sticking to melee, but that’s largely dependent on a large gear and skill gap v.s. the other person; they would have beaten them even harder if they just took the conventional ranged approach (also those videos are extremely cherrypicked; you’re only seeing the clips where they won).
So from a pragmatic balancing standpoint there’s no argument: melee Hunter in classic was underpowered and underequipped to the point where it was never worth doing outside of joking around. That’s not up for debate. The question is whether Blizzard intended for it to be a thing but just messed up the tuning. We don’t have any direct statement from them on this but I’d argue that there wasn’t even an intent for a strictly melee Hunter. You mentioned the manual earlier that says that Hunters are first and foremost a ranged class and that’s the primary thing that makes us distinct. There’s also the aforementioned fact that Agility gave double the scaling for ranged attack power v.s. melee attack power.
In any case beyond patch 1.7 it’s not really up for debate because at that point Survival literally had a ranged ability as its end talent. Before 1.7 it had Lacerate and a few more (weak) melee talents so there’s at least an argument to be had there, but I’d argue it’s extremely unlikely that they intended for the “ranged weapon class” to arbitrarily avoid using its ranged weapon. It’s much more likely they intended for SV to be used exactly as it ended up being used; a ranged spec but with some more melee damage for PvP situations when you get stuck in melee (+ better options for escaping melee). The problem with the tree before 1.7 was that instead of having all that melee buffing in one strong talent (Savage Strikes) it was spread out amongst a bunch of weaker talents. The same was true for the trap talents.
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Can we just have gun-axes and gun-blades or become a spell caster of magic slash techniques and beast summoning that can do both melees and ranged. pweez
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Great way to dismiss that btw.
Your entitled to be wrong.
Who said I was talking about you specifically? I was talking about in general but I know you want attention so
Dismiss it, you mean get the point just because you can do something does not make it right (or smart). *again go see how fast can get an offer to tank a current raid…
Any which way you look at it I’m not wrong, I liked the play style so much once it was gone I left wow and only came back for LK (and that play style coming back) and from the other aspect as a business when less people like your product after you change it, it’s kinda “stupid”.
The ideal solution is to make a talent (or even just a passive depending on equipped weapon) to mirror functionality for Raptor Strike/Carve/Wing Clip/Muzzle with Arcane Shot/Multi-Shot/Concussive Shot/Counter Shot. Make Kill Shot work with any weapon, for any spec, at weapon range. Remove the asinine penalty to Auto Shot damage.
The core gameplay loop works fine with melee or ranged - seriously go get a bow and shoot a target dummy in SV spec for a while. Use it for world quests. Hell, make a macro to weapon swap on Disengage/Harpoon and use both together.
Melee is fine as an option, but it should be an option within the spec (or give it to BM as well) rather than occupy an entire spec itself.
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ah so you are just a copy and paste kind of guy. Thats the classic dream there!
And living in the past isnt healthy. You wont stay subbed passed ulduar.
Willing to bet you havent even tried it. Just got upset. You kinda remind me of those people who refuse to watch a movie because of the cast even if it was a cinematic masterpiece. You just want to be upset for the sake of it. Like I didnt like Blizz removing the OG tree form but that never made me mald so bad I had to quit playing it. Probably because im an adult but hey
It doesnt. You dont always stay in melee
kinda more like I’m not wanting to gimp other people kinda guy, but I can see how you like messing up others.
hope you only rent all the games you own an no steam account… (would be a major waste for you I’m guessing) and at the rate blizzard seems to want to mess with LK I may not make launch of LK classic) New Dev’s can’t seem to keep from messing anything up.
Tried it in BARF, (BFA) friend wanted to try WOW again so we both subbed for about 3 months and didn’t make the end till we both uninstalled we both thought Blizzards new Class design was garbage (they played a priest not sure what kicked them off it).
So if you’re no longer having fun in a game you’d still pay for the sub… interesting sounds like you have a odd notion of being an adult…?..
Nice maneuver there man. But id like to think not coming here to complain about a video game is pretty neat. hell, rage quitting is pathetic as well. Just leads me to believe you would be the kind of person to call up a Dominos to complain your pizza had less pepperonis on one of the slices instead of just eating it. Gonna taste great either way.
Nice Maneuver? I said I like the play style of RSV and when it left I quit,still sounds like you’re the one suggesting I throw money at something I no longer enjoy? I suppose you’re the kind to order a pizza and when they brought you a bucket of week old fish sticks you’d happily pay them and eat it right up… odd.
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The fact you cant even make a good analogy is the icing on this entire little debate with you.
If you can’t see it’s the same as paying for something you don’t\wouldn’t enjoy out of that, that’s on you, or maybe you would prefer a week old bucket of fish sticks over a pizza you ordered. (guess no accounting for taste).
anyway you want to look at it though, you’re the one saying I should stay stubbed for something I no longer enjoy, so maybe I didn’t account for bad taste.
**I mean look at your dumb analogy
Like a few less pepperoni is going to change the flavor of the entire pizza, have a Spec taken out changed the flavor of WOW for me (it was a major ingredient of what I liked about playing, not just a small part) it was not just missing some small unimportant part, talk about dumb analogies…
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Honestly, just don’t engage with him. He’s only after his one thing, to troll people who speak favorably of RSV.
reminds me of the bloom guy in the Classic forums, but blooms smart enough to not respond after he’s stuck it foot in his mouth enough (and least the few times I’ve dealt with him, granted half the time his Proof ends up helping the other side of his arguments). this guy kinda funnier suggesting paying for a game that’s no longer fun to play is “and adult thing to do” lol…
lol bro it was a better analogy than yours by a mile.
Again no, if I see a dumb comment Il respond. Idc if someone enjoys rsv. but funny you say this because you are one of the three biggest trolls here when it comes to anything positive about Msv. Its so ironic it hurts.
- Nobody knows nor cares about your friend
- You seem to have difficulty processing anything I said as you somehow contorted it into paying for a game means being an adult. I said complaining as an adult is cringe. But hey, I know how they just let anyone pass school these days so.
To give you an idea of who you’re dealing with, Toxiktraktor made a video defending Blizzard over the abuse allegations.
I did? Interesting.
Ya I just like watching him stick his foot in his mouth… it amuses me…
*kinda sad this is the best quality of trolls Blizzard can attract anymore even the one in the classic forums lacked any upper tolling skills. (but even when I was unsubbed I pop in the forums, get a small laugh out of Tox comments, you and Ghorak are prob bored with him at this point, which I can understand).
I sure a lot of things in your head make better sense. like paying for a game that is not fun… 
*an yours only works if losing a few pepperoni would somehow completely change the entire flavor of the pizza talk about a stupid analogy…Mine does work, because they took away something I liked an replaced it with something I don’t like (does every simple thing have to be spelled out for you?)
what you said,you getting a bit senile there?
I didn’t say it made me “mald” I said I quit it’s what I was having fun with so that fun was gone so I unsubbed.
what I said was (just before your above answer was)
Any which way you look at it I’m not wrong, I liked the play style so much once it was gone I left wow and only came back for LK (and that play style coming back) and from the other aspect as a business when less people like your product after you change it, it’s kinda “stupid”.
I was right you’re funny…(almost in a kinda sad way though).
*if by “friend” you mean post stupid things that amuse me, then yes you and him are my friends…
I like survival hunters being melee. In real life, some hunters prefer hand-to-hand combat. Hand-to-hand combat hunters wait for their prey to enter their sites, for the prey to get close, and then they pop out and attack their prey.
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