Why do people expect a massive fall off?

you mean retail of tbc.

I would actually say Retail is missing features from Vanilla.

You sacrifice QOL features, sure, but those go by the wayside the deeper you get into the game. I honestly can’t think of any QOL features from retail at the moment that I even care about to be in vanilla.

My nostalgia has already worn off and I still love Vanilla. It provides a CHALLENGE and COMMUNITY that has been missing from WoW for almost a decade now.

A lot of these QOL features from retail are just over simplifications of something that was intended in vanilla.

I’m sorry but you’re just wrong. Guides will matter, and the content is not as hard. And that’s funny coming from you since you haven’t cleared a raid this expansion or in Legion. No point in trying to discuss this.

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You do realize this isn’t my main correct?

I raided all the way through Vanilla and was part of one of the first Cthun kills. You have no idea what difficulty is.

The fact that you looked into my alts profile to try to discredit me says more about you than it says about me.

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Exactly. Had to do something with all of that gear that was crafted just to increase you skill level towards the next level. Why vendor/shard it just for the Gold when I could assist other players in enjoying the game a little bit more?

The only two things that have really bugged me is not having a button to open my friends list on the standard UI and there being an X to turn off the minimap where my world map icon should be

But this isn’t about you,specifically. Classic will have it’s core group of players that stick around, just like retail. The expectation is a lot of players will come in, play around for a while and leave because they’ll miss certain features like transmog, clams stacking, no weapon skills, etc. Or they’ll get the dreaded “it’s just not the same” which was already being felt during beta testing and devs confirming that yes it was exactly like this, they just remembered it wrong or they were just a different person at the time.

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Achievements are account wide, so yeah…there’s that.

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I don’t think it is going to be nearly as bad as many naysayers make it out to be. There are going to be a large number of people that join and realize that many of the things players criticize Vanilla over are not nearly as bad as some make it out to be.

The game hooks you and keeps you invested for far longer than recent retail ever has. Even if the game is 15 years old, there is a reason why it grew to be so popular and many MMOs kept trying to emulate it for years after it released.

Personally I think Retail’s gear / transmog is a bad feature. Everyone looks like a GOD.

in Retail, you’re a HERO

in Vanilla, you’re an Adventurer / Mercenary.

Going back to the classic retail gear has been incredibly refreshing. Weapon skills aren’t in retail, only classic btw.

Okay, I’ve downed Ghuun on 10 man heroic so… there’s that? WOMP WOMP

Achievements are faction specific

private server numbers are sketchy at best. on ND they consider you active if you log in at all during a 3 month period. a lot of people are only there because its free and the chats are not moderated.

there is a large ps crowd with no real intention of playing past 40. a bunch of them dont even leave the barrens or goldshire

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Private servers are also cumbersome and annoying to play on. Admins give themselves gear or their friends gear and often alter the leveling speeds. It’s not an authentic measurement of hype. I love vanilla, but I refuse to play on a private server.

But they aren’t though. I got AotC on G’huun and Gul’dan and they were both on alliance… and they both show on my current character.

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Believe what you want kid

I could reverse the same argument on you. 755 achievement points? Jeez, have you even played the game? Look at that mature guild name too. Really sticking it to me bud.

Well, given what your character history is up to BfA, there’s no reason for you not to look like a god. You’ve killed several. In vanilla you kill an old god, several powerful dragons, the lord of the elemental plane of fire, and the Lich King’s right-hand man. Let’s be honest with ourselves here.

Right, weapon skills, something no one actually enjoyed and were removed in Cata. The only difference with the gear is you’re not limited to type unless you’re a clothie.

Like I said, Classic will have its core player base, but it will have a drop off from the tourists.

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I’m not saying we didn’t do heroic things in Vanilla (some of us), what I’m saying is you are still considered an adventurer. At no point are you hand guided by thrall into being best buds with Jaina or Greymane and sitting in private conferences with them.

Even though you (might have, most didn’t) slain a God, a dragon, or others. You did it as a GROUP, a collection of mercenaries or adventurers banding together to achieve something marvelous.

You might be considered to be a God by the player base, but certainly not by the game.

I mean… when I have Titanslayer in front of my name, I better look amazing. :wink:

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I actually very much enjoyed weapon skills. One of my favorite things that I entirely forgot was that you actually have to go to a battlemaster and TRAIN to learn a weapon if it’s not faction specific to you. This required travelling, finding the weapon master and learning, practicing with your weapon.

Speak for yourself when you say no one wanted weapon skills. That was one of my main sticking points when people asked me what I miss about Vanilla. It’s the over simplification of the game and slow degrading of difficulty like that, that turned the game into BFA.

Please list these features? I’d be interested in knowing what you consider good features?