Or, if we were going to get shamed by the writers for the absolute disaster of a story they wrote, maybe we didn’t want to go along with their stupid story and were just being petulant at how horribly they treated their players there.
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Some Horde fans did that. Other just wanted to side with Sylvanas and her goal of killing as many Alliance as they could.
Not like there aren’t horrible alliance fans.
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True, having said that the Horde has always attracted those that wanted to be on the darker side/be able to do more evil things. Especially considering due to the nature of WoW, consequences were slow if any. Well, WoW live long enough for there to be fairly large consequences for the Horde.
And yet that’s not what the Horde was sold on or based on. It was supposed to be a faction as heroic as the alliance (and the alliance with the same sort of issues as the horde) that was working for its place in the world despite what the greater powers thought of them. And really, I still feel that outside of the forsaken, Vanilla wow had the Alliance being more shady than the horde (how much of that being due to the fact that they never finished the horde until Cata we’ll never know I assume)
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There is a quest where a human tries to war the Horde about the Forsaken only for them to be poisoned by Horde players.
We have the smiling jim thing. Not to mention 2/3 of the battlegrounds was Horde encroaching on Alliance lands with Alterac being presented as a he said she said as to who really started it.
And the Alliance sorted out its issues and became the good guys. and because it was always on the lighter side of the gray scale it did it quicker. Hell, part of our issue was a black dragon and Fandral and both were covertly doing stuff and did not have tacit approve, unlike what the Horde was doing.
As for the Horde, while it was sold as this underdog thing, at its root it was still tied to its old way. Even in Warcraft 3 it never truly addressed its horrible past and kept naming things after horrible people! Like, the “good” thing to do was leave the night elves alone and pack up but no, it kept attacking them and proving the Horde was as violent as ever.
Which is a fault of the story telling, well, at least the “good guys”
You don’t take a two hero faction game and rug pull one side into being the villains while the other side is always in the right.
That’s just nonsense.
Yes, because the Alliance addressed all it’s misdeeds when it became the good faction, right?
What, no, the writers just pretended everything they did was good no matter how atrocious it was?
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Well they literally did. So maybe, the Horde wasn’t as heroic as a faction?
Golden says Garrosh was “the orcish of orcs” so yeah. Maybe the orcs/Horde needs to change drastically if they wanted the good guy status.
Apparently we did. Like for example, we have plausible deniability with both Garithos and Daelin. Heck, apparently the Alliance condemned daelin because he started a war even though it lead to Kul Tiras leaving the Alliance. Would the Horde have ever done such to Garrosh/Sylvanas? No they did not. Not until it directly affect them.
And again, that was stupid and a massively disrespectful move towards the playerbase.
After the fact due to the metal wangrods who for some reason don’t seem to be in favor anymore…
Yes, she is a massive part of this problem.
That’s called not addressing your problems and just pretending they were good.
Did the Alliance actually have that much to do with that? Or was it more to do with Jaina’s actions and her not being punished?
I mean, Garrosh did it some. But again, you’re using the post effing over the horde writing to explain why effing over the horde was logical and the true horde.
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No as per chronicles Kul Tiras went to the Alliance asking for revenge, the Alliance said no and it was Daelin’s foolishness that got him killed.
I think it was the logical end of the story. Like the Horde trying to attempt genocide for what, 3-4 time? Yeah, sounds like them. Maybe without a warchief they swear blood oath to it might be different. Let’s see.
If anything she is probably one of the few people that ever gave the Horde a sympathetic character. Durotar is probably one of the few good guys during the original Horde. Not to mention, she is the one who fleshed out Thrall.
And yet the playerbase was cheering when the mana bombed dropped. So maybe its just that the Horde playerbase has always been divided in how they see the Horde.
Of course you do.
And yet she went on to do the number she has done on the horde in the later books, with a trail of fridged women left behind her.
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Well yeah, why do you think I chose the Alliance?
Don’t be ridiculous. Both men and women died in her books and even Rhonin died so that Vereesa’s character could grow. Female characters had just much chance of dying as men in Warcraft’s stories because yeah, it is a pretty dark place.
This is why engaging with Zerde is a fruitless endeavor cuz he genuinely thinks “Alliance Good Horde Evil” is the “logical end of the story” and good writing and makes for a good game, alongside the genuine contempt he has for the racial codification of the monster races.
It’s insufferable and transparent, when held alongside his banal belief that Goodness = Lawfulness he’s been expressing, go so far as to defend US Constitutionality of slavery as punishment.
And lets not forget of course his recent defenses of “Black Humans should come from Not Eastern Kingdoms” and whatnot lmao
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Because you like being able to cheer for atrocities that get whitewashed?
She has a habit of inventing female characters for the sole purpose of killing off to make horde characters appear heartless. Like Jaina’s apprentice who bit it in Theramore, and the night elf sentinel that was raised that wasn’t the minor character already.
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I may have a “Someone is wrong on the internet” problem.
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Because I like being in the good guy faction and the Horde was always the one starting crap and likely would always end up with crud on their face because of it.
What the hell are you even talking about Baal, I did not saying anything about black humans should come not from EK. In fact I even DEFENDED Blizzard for race changing NPC in Stormwind.
You do realize in that same book she had Rhonin killed as well? And that Pained(you couldn’t even be bothered to remember her name) was not the only loss in theramore and Jaina was traumatized by the loss of all her friends/people who came to defend her.
Because that has been What warcraft has been with the blip of Warcraft 3 being the exception. Blizzard might change it from here on out but I am not even sure a faction war would ever be touched again.
The Horde were never portrayed as evil because of their race. They were done so because they kept attacking those who for the most part wasn’t particularly interested in war with them.
Not slavery, penal labor. There is a difference.
Which is pretty shallow with how hard you have to stretch to maintain the good guy status of the Alliance in the face of their actions.
Ok?
Who did that though? I mean, since big things have to be approved, that might have just been blizz wanting to retire an author insert character to keep their own characters in that spot.
I’m not gonna dignify a guilt trip with learning their name. It’s a hack move on her part.
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Or they did that because they knew Vereesa, especially as a sister of Sylvanas would have drama potential.
I have said it before and I will say it again, I don’t think the Alliance are angels but they have always been better then the Horde. At least in the morality department.
It was literally the start of a global war. Characters were suppose to die to up the stakes.
The dwarves said that the Tauren were a nuisance, so they drove them out. They never mention the tauren attacking.
In contrast to the tauren who say they tried diplomacy with the dwarves but then the dwarves attacked them and drove them out.
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