Why can't we defect?

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remember when she used to say “WHAT ARE WE IF NOT SLAVES TO THIS TORMENT?!”

But is now actively trying to enslave as many as people as possible to this torment?

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Well, pretty sure this the last hoorah chance for the Villain Cult faction of the Horde.

By the looks of it, the reason we’re not going to get a SoO2 is because Sylvanas isn’t the type to die for a position she never wanted (but will totally exploit); and that the end of her Warbringers is prophetic (its Sylvanas, standing alone). By the looks of it, there isn’t going to be anyone of note on the Horde that sides with her by the end of this mess; I’d wager that with how they’ve been using Nathanos that he’ll even turn on her at some point…

All I want to know is … what are her “true objectives” for this war? We know she has them, well beyond what she used to entice Saurfang into it, but I have no clue what they are. All I can guess is that she’s the Shepard from Ogmot’s Visions who’s laughing as she leads her blind sheep off a cliff…

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I remember her in WC3 in front of a fire talking to a Dreadlord stating “We are the Forsaken, we will slaughter anyone standing in our way!” Might as well add lightning in the background. Hilariously enough she kept that line in WoW. Mean while people thought she was good?! Or even an anti-hero?! The signs were there at the start! Reason I was shocked they were playable. I chalked it up to rule of cool after discovered that reasoning used for Draenei in BC.

Ha despite your hate b***r for the Horde, at least we both agree on hating Sylvanas.

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My guess being obvious and probably already stated: If you look at it she is the literal final incarnation of hatred from WC3. She was born from Arthas’ hatred, and became that hatred to the living. Like she states “Ours is a cycle of hatred.” She wants to spread her hatred to not only prove she is right, but to also stay alive. The more we hate, the more we fight. The more we fight, the more war there is. The more war there is, the more death there is. The more death there is, the more undead there are. The more undead there are, the bigger her bulwark. It is a win win in every scenario for her.

Second guess is she wishes to ascend to a undead god to never ever die. How she does that? Uses Xal’atath to absorb an Old God, then absord that Old God using Aerite maybe eh?

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It just feels like The Last Jedi tier planning and execution to me.

Setup:
Vol’Jin “Ya mae not understand my decision but trust me”
–The undead are Immune to the Whispers of the Old Gods who are going to resurface once the legion no longer poses a threat to them

Execution:
Sylvanas Zykloning everyone and declaring a war on life.

Blizzard. Why. The undead could have had their moment. This would have made other races more accepting of them with every faction leader being lobotomized by tentacles but noooOooOooOOOOooo~

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Same reason we couldn’t defect from Garrosh’s Horde, until they decided it was time to let us do it. At least then they gave us the band-aid of Vol’jin asking us to pretend to be loyal.

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As a side note, undead aren’t immune to Old God corruption; they’re just resistant to it. There is a reason the Scourge used Ghouls to mine Saronite (and even they would eventually go insane). Odds are just as good that Sylvanas has some connection to Yogg-Saron, than she’s going to be the key to their defeat (or she might just end up being both tbh).

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Now having said all of this, truth be told it is high time to deal with this Sylvanas issue. It was always there from the start, and was always handled poorly. It should be been dealt with in Cataclysm. I’m not saying she needed to die then, but in order for the Forsaken to be with the Horde, they needed be less psychotic. Sure raise the dead since that is the only way to reproduce, but no more blights, no more torturing, no more experimentation for blight. In fact experiment for cures of diseases like they did in pre-WotLK patch. Look at the Horde as an ACTUAL FAMILY! Not as tools, or in a psychotic way, those don’t help.

Instead Blizzard doubled down on her crazyness and stifled on her development and to he extension the Forsaken’s development. They’re not suppose to be monolithic, but I only see them as Sylvanas Dark Lady worshipping monolithic. So it is high time to fix the final Horse issue and that being the Kalimdor’s Horde and Eastern Horde’s relationship, and Sylvanas stands in the way of that.

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You can bet Varian is rolling in his grave.

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Nope, they ACTUALLY said they wanted less Horde players to PVP in BFA.

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/horde-blizz-says-they-would-like-you-to-stop-playing

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Not sure why. They’re trying to make good on his threat.

It’s just, surprise, the Horde isn’t so weak the Alliance can just wipe them out at will unless half the Horde isn’t fighting the other half.

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it’s not even a difficult name phonetically, lord

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Yes Blizzard, why can’t these Alliance sympathizers please just get out of my Horde and stop trying to change everything I and others like me like about it just so they can play as Anduin’s little footstools?

You already have an entire other faction dedicated to worshiping Christie Golden’s Gary Stu, stop trying to pull my faction down into that mud.

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I find you a bit much, Cailias, but I do have to agree on this point.

Blizzard has spent thousands upon thousands of man-hours creating content and stories to validate and celebrate the Horde’s dark side. They created the murk to be enjoyed.

A storyline to reject all of that, which they not only enabled but incentivised, as some kind of moral judgement, does seem to be an odd move from them.

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So, playing reprehensible villains, but enjoying the meta that you’ll never be punished for being a villain due to the realities of game-mechanics? :smiley:

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I’m an acquired taste.

Yeah but what does that matter when instead we could just cry about honor all the time as if the Horde is supposed to care about the Alliance for some reason?

Why should there be punishment for playing a villain or darker character? Why should there be a punishment for not wanting to care about the other faction in an expansion that’s supposed to be about fighting the other faction?

Because it offends players of the other faction? Because for some reason a race and character should be written the way people who hate them want them to be written, instead of what the people who are already fans of them would enjoy?

I’ve read a lot of stuff about the story and the Horde and all that since BfA came out, and I still have found no particular reason to care about what the Alliance or the Honor Horde would want, so yeah, I guess you’re right.

In SWTOR I can literally take advantage of mining equipment on an unstable planet to melt down refugee and mercenary camps who are already panicking because they think the planet is going to blow up with lava, just so word that the planet is safe enough to mine for its super oil doesn’t get out. There’s no punishment for that, instead you get exalted as a hero of the Empire. And then on the Republic side this action has no effect whatsoever on the heroic actions there. Why should WoW be any different, especially when we already have plenty of darker stuff you can do and still be seen as a hero in? Why should I be punished for wanting to play the game in a way that I and others find fun? Just because for some reason the opinions of people who don’t like it somehow matter more?

No thank you.

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And, because I agree but I think this is important; That Blizzard has never had a problem allowing for until now.

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marketing bois…
how you sell it is important…:rofl:

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No. Anyone that gets involved in this trash plot ends up ruined.

Leave the Regent out of this, I rather he stays irrelevant but safe than for him to get screentime that ends up ruining his characterization.

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Yeah, see in SWTOR you can play the Sith Empire and the storytelling is created in such a way where (albeit shaky at times) that allows individual player choices. WoW does not really allow for that, so when you get to revel in your “darkness” it quite frequently means players who don’t want to revel in it are forced to. And you’re right, you don’t have to worry about “The Honor Horde”, just accept that its likely to come out ahead in this story in the end (though factions might be iffy in the end).

Its in a similar vein that I don’t care about your “Dark” Horde either, especially since narrative it only consists of a faction of the Forsaken. There are Dark elements of other Horde races, but those elements aren’t traditionally part of the Horde anymore. I also don’t really give a crap about the Forsaken’s “edge”, because I genuinely think their contention with the Alliance is weak … and they’ve spent a LONG timereminding us that they are just using the Horde in an “Alliance of Convenience”.

As for punishment, YOU (the player) shouldn’t be punished, but as the Horde has been portrayed your characters DARK behaviors are only really tolerated because of Sylvanas (and you are protected by game mechanics). That story you want to revel in comes at the expense of the characterization of every other racial leader; and every other Horde race (save the Bilgewater) … so I think you should enjoy your chances to be a villain now; and accept when the time comes for the Horde to return to its WC3 roots.

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