Why can't we defect?

[Kauramnast-aerie-peak]

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Why can’t we leave the horde and join Saurfang? Why can’t we leave the horde and look for Thrall? Why can’t we leave the horde and join the Champions of Azeroth?

I marched on Darkshore in the warfront for the first time today. Didn’t know why I was marching on it. Sylvanas did all of this. Unprovoked. Over what? Azerite? It felt awful.

Takes the 2nd Mark.
Nethanos: “Deploy the Blight!”
Takes the 3rd Mark.
Nethanos: “Burn it down!”
Delivers wood to a depot.
Nethanos: “Leave no survivors!”

I’m tired of being an interesting footnote on Sylvanas Vampire Freaks profile.
The Alliance can sit comfortable. Let the Horde deliver her head to Tyrande.

There’s no honor in this.

[Lithya-sargeras (Lithya)]

Dont forget about the Darkshore Warfront and raising your dead victims to your side!
War of Thorns is just a gift that keeps on giving.

No but seriously. We are better off if both factions cease to exist and we focus on the races as individual factions instead. Killing Sylvanas is nowhere near enough with how widely she is supported by the Horde (Players being the unknown in all this).

[Droité-tanaris (Droité)]

Dont forget about the Darkshore Warfront and raising your dead victims to your side!
War of Thorns is just a gift that keeps on giving.

No but seriously. We are better off if both factions cease to exist and we focus on the races as individual factions instead. Killing Sylvanas is nowhere near enough with how widely she is supported by the Horde (Players being the unknown in all this).

And the Sylvanas-Arthas parallels just keep on giving lol!

Jeez, she really has turned us into her own personal Scourge. “The Burning of Teldrassil” was not only her “Fall of Quel’thalas” moment, it was her “Forgotten Shore” moment as well. Then we get Tyrande’s “Creation of the Night Warriors” being a beat-for-beat repeat of Liadrin’s “Formation of the Blood Knights”, AND Sylvanas having her own “Raising of the Ranger General” with Summermoon.

We get it Blizz, she’s Arthas; she’s become the very thing she despised.

[Lithya-sargeras (Lithya)]

Blizzard subtility.

[Droité-tanaris (Droité)]

Exactly. I just did the Blood Elf Heritage Quest. I watched the cinematic where she died defending her lands. She’s literally Arthas now. You’d think she of all people would know better.

And Lor’thremar with is “She’s always a hero to us”. DO YOU NOT SEE WHAT SHE’S DOING?!?!?!?

LOL, she’s lacing your racial name with hypocrisy is what she’s doing. Just as she’s trying to remove honor from the Orcs; and commit the Tauren into destroying the Earth Mother. She’s denying the Horde their cultural heritage, to make them easier to control (with more Forsaken convenient ideologies). She doesn’t even seem to care about Forsaken values (Free Will) anymore, even Baine calls her on that … so she certainly doesn’t give a crap about the other races’.

EDIT: Just waiting till I can drag out the old dino toys and say “Curse you’re sudden, but inevitable betrayal” Sylvanas. That day is fast approaching I feel.

[Hahahahahaha-grizzly-hills (Hahahahahaha)]

Blizzard said they made some BFA PVP changes because they wanted less Horde to participate. Maybe they feel that way about the BFA lore too.

[Lithya-sargeras (Lithya)]

And Lor’thremar with is “She’s always a hero to us”. DO YOU NOT SEE WHAT SHE’S DOING?!?!?!?

Apparently he does.

"I cannot fault Baine’s heart, even if his actions were drastic. Through this act of defiance, he exposed a schism in the Horde that has been growing since the attack on Teldrassil.

I fear that by openly opposing Sylvanas, he may have put his own people at risk. As mine would be, were I to side with him.

These are perilous times. We must be cautious… and deliberate."

in before the Horde is innocent its only evil Sylvanas’ fault.

[Kauramnast-aerie-peak]

And all of that would be perfectly fine. Build your Villain, Blizzard. Re-use the Lich King lore. Whatever, we don’t care. But give players a choice. Don’t just side-line us.

If I want to participate in Quests? I’m an ambassador for Sylvanas.
If I want to participate in Island Expeditions? I’m gathering resources for Sylvanas.
If I want to participate in Warfronts? I’m literally committing War Crimes for Sylvanas.

The only way for me to not support Sylvanas’ actions is to not play horde.

[Drahliana-earthen-ring (Drahliana)]

Blizzard said they made some BFA PVP changes because they wanted less Horde to participate. Maybe they feel that way about the BFA lore too.

Now you’re being deliberately inaccurate. Blizzard made changes in order to encourage more Alliance participation, not diminish that of the Horde. because thats the real problem they have, less and less Alliance willing to engage in open world PVP by playing in War Mode. The change they made was to give bonuses to the players of whatever faction is in a severe minority in War Mode. Currently, that’s the Alliance.

[Kauramnast-aerie-peak]

Not to mention, at the end of MoP, Varian told the horde"You let this $#!7 happen again and we’re crushing you". Yet here we are.

[Droité-tanaris (Droité)]

And Lor’thremar with is “She’s always a hero to us”. DO YOU NOT SEE WHAT SHE’S DOING?!?!?!?

Apparently he does.

"I cannot fault Baine’s heart, even if his actions were drastic. Through this act of defiance, he exposed a schism in the Horde that has been growing since the attack on Teldrassil.

I fear that by openly opposing Sylvanas, he may have put his own people at risk. As mine would be, were I to side with him.

These are perilous times. We must be cautious… and deliberate."

in before the Horde is innocent its only evil Sylvanas’ fault.

JEEZUS! When you combine those lines with Lor’themar’s sentiment that Sylvanas is a problem that will need to be taken care of at the end of SoO … it really sounds like he’s planning on making sure a Sylvanas washes up as bloated corpse-pieces on some beach somewhere (the moment he finds the right opportunity to take her out).

That dude … he’s just about the only Horde leader atm I can never get a read on, beyond the fact that he doesn’t trust Sylvie in the slightest. I’m seriously waiting for him to make his move down the line…

[Drahliana-earthen-ring (Drahliana)]

That dude … he’s just about the only Horde leader atm I can never get a read on,

Now THAT is a proper elf.

[Vespero-durotan (Vespero)]

Exactly. I just did the Blood Elf Heritage Quest. I watched the cinematic where she died defending her lands. She’s literally Arthas now. You’d think she of all people would know better.

She DOES know better and it’s entirely intentional. She literally went out of her way to recreate what Arthas did to her with Delaryn.

[Kauramnast-aerie-peak]

I missed Lor’thremar’s remarks on Baine. Good to know my leader is sane in all of this. Thanks for correcting me.

[Lithya-sargeras (Lithya)]

I hate how I still cant link images.
https://i.imgur.com/hU5PXOG.png

bonus follow up:
https://i.imgur.com/HunkYux.png

[Mannec-wyrmrest-accord (Mannec)]

Huh I didn’t know the Horde was writing for Blizzard to give us this horrible plot that half of both sides hate. Don’t worry! I’ve got my top moose on it! We will get to the bottom of this! Don’t you worry your pretty tentacles over this.

[Lithya-sargeras (Lithya)]

I am not worried!

[Mannec-wyrmrest-accord (Mannec)]

And now you’re feeling what half the Horde is feeling like, the honor half. We’re forced to be dragged through the mud to follow someone that we would rather put down like a rabid dog. Problem is the other half of the Horde, the cult half, will follow her to the ends of time, regardless of them liking this or not. Just how the Alliance is basically split in two of wanting to eradicate the Horde, or … well honestly I don’t know the other half of the Alliance. BfA just seems like a game made for the evil of both sides to go at it for one big hoora, while everyone else is dragged through it.

[Lithya-sargeras (Lithya)]

been feeling like that since cataclysm. Its nothing new.
these are old wounds friend.

[Mannec-wyrmrest-accord (Mannec)]

Hilariously been feeling like that since Blizzard announced Forsaken with the Horde before Classic. Yes I was planning to play the Honorable Horde before WoW came out heh, sad I know. Knowing full well the Forsaken would disgrace us. I just never would have seen Warchief Sylvanas comming.