Why are we even assume he would undo shadowlands and among other things? When in fact he supports any and all idea and would work with it and fix something or might even rework it but not outright recon or even ignore it. Why do some people want him to retcon or erase it when some of us know he won’t do it and is gonna work with it.
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Why would they waste time undoing or retconning something irrelevant that the game and vast majority of players have moved on from and no longer care about?
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People always lash their hopes and dreams onto the next big thing.
It makes the seething disappointment more palpable when their new avatar falls short.
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People want WoW to have good lore. At this point though I think it’s beyond repair unless they reboot everything to vanilla and proceed from there.
We just have to ignore parts we don’t like.
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Yeah it already happened and you can’t take it back. Trying to change it would just take it from a terrible to expansion to the expansion that was so terrible they tried to change it 6 years later (or w/e). It would become a bigger meme.
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It wasn’t just that SL was bad, DF was also bad. Even state media like T&E don’t try to claim that DF was good writing, they just try to say that the bad writing wasn’t Steve’s fault.
I think people were hoping Metzen would purge the terrible writers, and they hoped that would be enough. But I’ve never gotten the vibe from Metzen that he was the kind of guy who would walk into a room and tell everyone they weren’t good, or they were fired, or any of that. Just doesn’t have that energy. I think he’ll try to motivate, and set a structure for the story that he thinks is good. But if the people who wrote Amirdrassil are still doing the ground work then he is only going to get so far.
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A massive several thousand of the millions of players adding up to almost 1% of the player base has formed an echo chamber and convinced themselves they “speak for the community” as they make up nonsense about Shadowlands.
They tell each other what they want to hear over and over until they believe it’s all true.
A majority of players have moved on from all the old expansions.
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The problem here is that no matter what they do with the new lore you will always find a few thousand out of the millions of players who will not like the new story. They will form an echo chamber in the forums telling each other over and over that your new lore is terrible until they come to believe they “speak for the community”.
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I agree… these dopes that are still wringing their hands over this stuff… geez… 
I highly doubt he’d undo anything. The amount of work it’d take to undermine an entire expansion, let alone the fate of a few characters… well, it’s probably not worth it.
It’s better to utilize limited time to shift the game in a positive and cool direction.
I do think retcons can be introduced which fix some issues, like Arthas being a fart cloud… yeah, that can easily be fixed with some dialogue or a quest or two.
Even Blizzard admitted TBC was a mistake and they have been slowly trying to retcon it over the various expansions. The current story is written on top a bad foundation.
Where?
If illidan redemption story isn’t proof of them thinking tbc was a mistake idk what is
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It’s funny cause this is a classic (pun partially intended) example of what is called “rose colored glasses”. People tend to forget Metzen was in charge of story during Cata, and one of Cata era’s biggest problems was the WotLK Scooby Doo level writing and the subsequent destruction of the world they haven’t reverted for 15 years that drove half the original TBC populace we had maintained at 12 mill away leaving us with maybe half that number.
Objectively speaking, the writing was marginally better…maybe. But that’s cause what we have now is a VERY low bar, not cause old WoW writing was “good”, it’s still largely juvenile scat jokes and elementary level writing.
I mean, I’m not asking for The Shire and Silmarillion or the Illiad here… but uh, basics of writing would be great if you could remember those like character spines and their motivations, setting consistency (timelines, places, etc), better use of basic tools like foreshadowing, irony, etc etc.
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Did you mean palatable?
Some of the things in SL cannot be undone or we would not have a new world tree. While not exclusively, much of the lore breaking content was from dialogue from those that might be considered less than honest. If I recall the Jailor was the master manipulator of all that has been in WoW(?). Master manipulators are often manipulated by others, even those they thought they were in control of. He could also have been exaggerating or running a bluff. Can Blizzard flip a switch? Unlikely. They could start to carve away at it and I doubt many would cry if they did it at a rapid speed.
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Maybe they meant EMPEROR PALPATINE?
So much this, it would be a believable plot twist to have Sylvanas reveal in an in-game cutscene or something as she toils away in The Maw that her evil self just served Zovaal willingly and lied about it. Her whole MO was brainwashing the Forsaken into destroying the living and abandoning their old identities, she’s Bastion levels of cult.
Zovaal is also an easy fix, Denathrius has already taken down one Arbiter, it wouldn’t be too much of a stretch to say HE drove Zovaal mad and corrupted him. Nor would it be out of character for Denathrius to have setup an entire redherring plot with Zovaal as a fall guy to plant Pelagos as a weak and easily seceded Arbiter so he could claim the role and all the power for himself while reforming the Legion using the Nathrezim.
These are all examples of things we’ve SEEN these characters do: 1. Sylvanas lies constantly to save her own skin, 2. Zovaal is a mindless puppet, and 3. Denathrius schemes like MCU Loki.
For the same reason people blame Ion for most things: irrationally trying to justify emotions running high, and not wanting to admit that said emotions are running high.
- Metzen gets tagged as the “good story guy” whilst Danusar gets tagged as the bad one.
- Ghostcrawler back in the day got tagged as the “good guy” for community interactions and now, the common consensus is to blame everyone and anyone by attacking anyone with a non-white name (MVPs, Community Council, blues, etc.).
- Ion gets tagged as the “bad guy ruining the game” and there’s not really ever been anyone considered good.
Folks just want to blame others for their irrational opinions and want to justify said opinions by pinning it on one singular (or multiple) people. That’s all there is to it. Folks not wanting to accept the good, the bad, and the most unforgivable … the mediocre but fine stuff.
So folks want to pin blame onto someone or something for these things.
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No…. I meant palpable : (of a feeling or atmosphere) so intense as to seem almost tangible.
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Who is assuming this?
Because the lore fell off a cliff and isnt even consistent with itself anymore.
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