Yes, and I found that if I wanted to get through my daily “WoW chores” it was still faster to queue as a dps, because pug dps was that terrible.
Between auctions, hodir/Argent tourney dailies, and general farming I would have at most a 10 minute wait left by the time I had finished all I wanted to do in the open world. Then I’d clear the dungeon itself easily 15 minutes faster than if I’d chosen tank, got an instant queues, and 3 terrible dps or a healer who’s bad.
I wish that it only took 45 minutes for my dps to get a group in BC. Like I said, the wait times for groups improved after dual spec was added.
You really seem to enjoy out of context quoting. I guess you think it proves something. All it proves is you don’t have a rational response to my post.
This is why making friends is always the better option than pugging.
The purpose of pugging is finding the diamonds in the coals of bad players, befriending them, and group with them regularly after that.
Pugs will always be the inferior option 99% of the time.
You can put a Chevy engine in a Ford Mustang if you want, very, very easily, it doesn’t mean it belongs there. I just don’t understand what you wrath babies don’t understand about authenticity, it’s an authentic 62 corvette whether it has modern disk or vintage drum brakes, but once you put a Ford engine in its modded or custom, there is a subjective softcap on how far mods go before the car tips from vintage resto-mod to full on retro-mod. So let’s leave wrath features like dspec in wrath and be happy we got fvf as an upgrade.
I pug 85% of the time and 90% of the time pugs do fine. Perhaps you have problems pugging because you’re one of the people who aren’t good enough to pug.
I stated role shortages are going to exist whether dual specs are in or not (as validated by this games own history and the inherent paradox of class/role/party games) and you told me I was making it up - after you acknowledged that tanks and healers will always be in a minority.
You keep saying it will improve queue times for pug dps even though dual specs wasnt implemented to deal with role shortages but you cant tell me why or how much to any reasonable persons satisfaction - and thats when youre not flip flopping like a fish out of water - which you are when it comes to an actual intelligent discussion - which people like you make impossible to begin with.
But we are just doing the same ol dance. Dual specs will never see the light of day here but somehow Ill be wrong even though Ive been preaching that since the beginning.
You just like whipping dead horses /shrug
I started wow almost from day one. You haven’t got a clue about who the classic players are or the game. In original BC requests for something like dual spec were the most common request on the forums back then. Not from wrath babies but players of BC. That’s one of the reasons blizzard added it in wrath.
We understand your bizarre obsession with authenticity in a game that already has so many changes it no where near authentic and a game that the devs clearly stated the there will be changes. We just don’t care about it.
sure, but that doesn’t address my question or your false claim that the impact of dual spec would be negligible is a fact.
Tank shortage is doing that.
It still took a lot of time to find a group as a DPS even with dual spec. If someone doesn’t want to tank he won’t.
Dual spec or LDF doesn’t create tanks.
Never said a pug wouldn’t succeed. I just said it’s the inferior option.
As an example a tank I regularly played with at tbcc launch would trust me to reliably CC 2 targets as a SV hunter because he knew I could do it reliably. He knew if something got loose I would pick it up and bring it to him. He knew that if a caster needed to be pulled back I would get aggro on it and distance pull it or LoS it into him to make him not have to move. Knowing each others play styles and what your party member will do helps a lot when grouping.
Pugs can succeed, it’s just a better option to use non pugs more often than not.
Your constant bragging about how you’re the greatest hunter in the game is boring and unbelievable. Especially when you also said you joined a guild that benched you for a month and just used you for free dmt buffs. I’ve joined a lot of guilds over the years and never was I treated as poorly as you by any of them. And I don’t claim to be the greatest healer in the game. Maybe I’m just a nicer person than you.
Nope, for one in vanilla no one posted in forums except on Tuesday, and then it was to moan and complain about class power shifts and how long the update was taking. I can’t ever remember discussing dual spec until it was announced in wrath, if you were “there” then you know it never existed in tbc and therefore won’t exist in Tbcc, because regardless of “authenticity” or “QoL” for branding purposes and maintainig the current status quo of delivering a classic experience they cannot In good faith go against the spirit of recreating the wow rollout of content as it did in vanilla. SoM is all the proof you need to see that for these “Wrath” changes to occur, a whole new game needs to be started with a different title than " The Burning Crusade Classic."
Don’t forget get aggro, feign death, give healer aggro.
I’m not saying I’m the greatest, but I know my class very well (been hunter main since actual vanilla). Many pugs won’t consider a hunter as being able to CC at all because a lot of the current hunters are FotM rerollers from warrior/rogues and only knowing how to zug.
A SV hunter can reliably (with proper setup) CC 2 targets long enough to have the other targets killed then go kill the CC targets. Even as BM I can reliably trap one target and kite 1 depending on the mob (charging mobs usually won’t work for this)
Multi trapping was doable all the way up to late cata when it was stealth nerfed out of existence.
It wasn’t just a guild, it was one of the best guilds on the server for naxx, I was the 4th hunter that would be in that group. Hunters were not very desirable in naxx outside of trank shot needs and traps. Hunter dps in classic was not very good by naxx.
I’m not claiming to be the best hunter either. Just that I know my class and I am good at it.
So your surprised someone on the internet took advantage of someone’s kindness or good will? Have you heard of the eve online scam? My experience isn’t as bad as what you are experienced according to you (and I’ll take your word for it) but it’s far from the worst. Just Google “biggest eve online scam”.
Got it, you’re “the nice guy”… lol.
I mean, I’m sure I’ve done it before, but if I see something going to the healer and the tank isn’t able to get it, I’m doing everything in my power to make it chase me instead, slow it, CC it, anything to keep the healer alive. Him surviving is more important than me surviving.
Why do you people keep making predictions, no one cares about your predictions. You don’t even care about your predictions. If you did you wouldn’t waste time posting on the topic. Did you predict blizzard would ban input broadcasting software? Did you predict they would limit dungeons to 30 a day? Did you predict they would change arena start points from 1500 to zero? How many changes did you miss? Your record as a prognosticator is poor. Why should anyone care what you predict?
Everyone thinks hunters are pure dps but in reality they are the most flexible utility class and hands down the best at mob aggro management. So many tricks like disengage and drop a freeze trap, to distracting shot to pull threat off healer then feign death and taunt the mob with pet, run pet back to tank once it has aggro, original devs weren’t thinking of homogenized rotations to tank and spank dungeonsbut rather they wanted challenging content that required adaptability through use of specialized class skills and tools.
I do pugs all the time with hunters and they often CC. You claim you don’t pug then you tell us what happens in pugs. You make up bs all the time here.
I just don’t believe someone who constantly brags about how great he is as a hunter then tells us he was benched for a month than quit when he realized the guild was just using him for free buffs. You just make up any bullsht story that you think will win an argument in the moment.
Well there has to be some reason I was well treated in all the guilds I joined and you were treated like crp. What do you think the reason is?
This is why I love the hunter class.
I have never cared about big D dps (its why i was still a hunter in classic). I like using the tools of the hunter class to “outsmart” an encounter.
I personally love playing aggro tag with my pet to kill something I have no business killing alone. Kiting world bosses was just a bonus, lol. It’s actually possible to solo “The Ata’mal Terrace” as a hunter if you use proper LoS and pathing abuse. As well as the fact the mob that drops the quest item will cast shadow bolts on you if he can’t reach you (you can LoS drop the casts, then get back into LoS before he starts evading, and have pet in his LoS on his aggro table with MD, pet has shadow resist trained and use mend pet, stay in aspect of the viper or you will oom.) You do have to wait for the archers summoned when killing the 3 warlocks to despawn before you kill the main quest mob though, or you take to much damage.
If you know what you are doing, you can do some crazy things.