Because nobody specs healer or tank for faster groups. So a hybrid DPS is essentially a pure dps.
That being said, classes that bring less utility, like Warriors, should probably at least be the highest raw damage.
Probably why they took way the HoT they added to Survival of the Fittest in Pack Leader. That was sweet.
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One time, in Litch King, I ran with a loc whose void would grab all the agro, and then he would kill them all in 2 hits. He had bis gear, but still it was so weird just trying to keep up with him
Your issue is thinking that playing a pure dps or hybrid class matters in spec balance.
It doesnt.
So since it doesnt, there is no advantage either way.
As an ele sham, I have zero advantage over a pure dps because I am a hybrid.
Do some specs (regardless of being part of a hybrid or pure dps class) need some balancing attention? Sure.
Is it 2009 again? I thought the “hybrid tax” discussion was long settled?
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Back in Lich King with my Hunter, I’d go to Storm Peaks near the giants town and there was a place where there were big herds of mammoth just running around in circles all day. I’d misdirect to my pet, drop an explosive trap in their path, and then just volley the whole herd down en masse to harvest meat. Good times.
I can think of several pure dps classes that have great survival and that’s based on only ones that I play.
Yeah, warlock are pretty tanky. We don’t have immunities but we have a lot of damage absorb shields generated through dealing damage and a few cooldowns that are solid. Plus health stones on a 60 second cool down that you can buff with a soul shard to also increase your max health for 20 seconds or so is pretty strong.
I’m really not tho. What I’d prefer is if the pure dps specs got some better things like more low CD healing options, or things like that. I’m simply pointing out that it feels unbalanced. And of course, folks came rampaging in to argue about balance for the “best of the best of the best…with honors…” levels of mythic raiding or keys, but it’s also across the board.
I don’t think a lot of high end folks realize the difference, for example, that the extra 30 item levels of HP makes for survivability. Those pure DPS specs at tiers below “TOPPITY TOP” feel the lack of hybrid-style healing options a lot more. And if they are trying to do other content, especially solo content, they don’t have those heals, or that tank spec, to fall back on.
On my monk, for example, 661 item level, spend one point in the class spec to get an instant vivify every 10 seconds, with a 75% reduced energy cost. And my vivify just standing here on the tooltip heals for 962,586. That’s 12% of my base hp. So every 10 seconds, I can just tap that button, using a GCD and minimal energy cost, to give me a nice helpful heal. And that’s on top of any other passive healing I have. And my DPS on this guy is pumping.
Pure DPS classes don’t even have these sorts of options. If I gimp this hunter on BM, I get three heals. All on fairly long cooldowns. And that’s with gimped dps. Sure, there’s traps, and movability, and pets, and all this other stuff, but I also know that if things hit the fan, it’s FD and start over. My monk? nope. He never slows down. And if it DOES get too bad, pop into brew, do what needs to be done, swap back.
Sure, I get it too, no one really cares about solo or small group survivability, after all WoW is now an E-SPORT, amirite, but balance, in terms of feasibility, does involve more than just the upper 5% of the players of the game and how THEY play. Or at least it should.
This is so backwards. My first goto in delves for ease and survivability is my “pure dps” BM hunter, not either of my “hybrid” (that’s not really an accurate term anymore) toons (okay, Vengeance DH isn’t shabby, either, but my Hunter does more dps, which gets through delves faster – ETA: Havoc, on the other hand, benefits in no way from having a brother tanking spec. I have to be more on-the-ball than with BM by far.).
And my hunter does 11s just fine, also. But at lower item levels it does get a bit more dicey, at least it does for me.
so…advantages…as i said.
DPS is DPS…just because a class has more than one role doesnt mean it should be lesser than a class that has all DPS specs.
unbalanced to me would be giving gifts to a sole DPS class because another class has a tank or healer spec too that has no bearing on the performance of the DPS spec
You are being obtuse it seems… as I pointed out the healing that my monk (in this example, but ret, feral, etc same story) is able to do by benefit of the class also having a heal spec. IN windwalker, the DPS spec. When it overflows like that then having a heal spec DOES in fact have bearing.
I’d suggest this is more a matter of playstyle and comfort, not the inherent strengths of the spec.
lmao…and here comes the nonsense.
you literally said you want more for pure DPS classes, friend…YOU said that, no one else…youre asking for ADVANTAGE for those classes over hybrids.
pure dps classes have their advantages…feign death for hunter for example. As I said…you give hunter a bettter heal also and now it has too much advantage…which is whatyou seem to be askng for here.
If they give your solo DPS spec more heals, then they should remove some other abliity you have to compensate.
What does windwalker get that benefits from having a heal spec? Well they have vivify which doesn’t do much and unless you take the talent to make it instant cast every 10 seconds, I wouldn’t be using it ever really.
That being said my warlock feels much more tanky than my monk when I play windwalker.
Mages would like to say hello (they have some of the best survivability in game)
Warlocks would like to say hello (they also have some of the best survivability in game)
did you forget the title of your own thread? lol
Why aren’t pure DPS top of the charts?
Why do the pure dps classes pay the penalty of having neither a tank spec fallback or a heal spec fallback, yet ALSO don’t top the dps charts? Why should a hybrid class ever top dps charts?
Im sorry…ADVANTAGE is what youre asking for…not just a better heal
A shaman has an advantage over most classes.
They can come back to life.
(Granted, not the best cheat.)
Larger health pool
Passive regenerative shield / health
Demon taking % of our pain
Huge bubble every minute.
Lay on Hands healthsones every minute
Soul burn drain life x2 to full
A shield wall
Not DK level but decent.
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