Why are you against PvP-PvE transfers

[Niia-whitemane]

mostly because they are toxic, unhappy individuals who delight in the unhappiness of others. thats really all there is to it.

[Pags-sulfuras]

link

so you look at this page, and you see 3-5 unbalanced servers?

just fascinating

[Dekkar-sisters-of-elune (Dekkar)]

pvp servers will never be like vanilla pvp because of the server sizes. it’s not realistic to want that at this point. there’s no way it’ll happen. even if all servers were magically 50/50. they’d have to make servers 1/4 the size they are to do that. people crying about queue times in what got us into this mess in the first place. i don’t blizzard will make that mistake again. and if people don’t like being camped by 3475938579345 horde at BRM why should they be forced to because some dudes have nostalgia about MUH VANILLA WPVP. this is not vanilla. it’s classic.

[Holymary-fairbanks]

you are not married to a toon or a server 3 months in.

And if you are. For example, for people who claim that they are going for Rank 14, or some such, then there is no way whatsoever, that a claim like, “I had no idea what to expect” would hold any weight.

Although, it is possible that people have greatly misunderstood or did not believe the information that was available.

Here’s a story from the year I became of age to buy alcohol:

I was with some friends, heading to a party, and we stopped to buy some alcohol. In front of the store, there were a couple (maybe three) high-school aged girls, who asked me if I could buy alcohol for them, as they were clearly not of age.

I told them that it was illegal to do so, and I would not. But, they insisted. So, I told them,

“Here’s what I’ll do. I’ll take your money. I’ll go into the store and buy the alcohol that you asked me to buy. Then, I’ll get in that car over there, drive away, and drink it with my friends.”

They laughed, said, “No, you won’t.” I replied, “Yes, I will.” and they gave me their money.

[Glaive-kirtonos]

Paid transfers and pvp to pve transfers were in vanilla, ergo, they WILL be part of classic.

[Burp-herod]

It’s not nostalgia man. I played every since expansion since vanilla. I had fun in every single one of them until they removed PVP servers and added the artificial battleground where you can’t create any rivalries and cant’ even chase or run away from your enemies because you will run into a different shard and never see them again ghost town known as warmode.

Is that hard to grasp? Not nostalgia, just want a place to feel threatened and immersed in a world where I can gank and be ganked. Pretty simple.

Are you saying screw players like me, we should deal with dead realms or go back to private servers? That we can’t even have pvp servers on classic?

See, it goes both ways. I can play the PVE transfer whiners game. (not saying youre the pve transfer whiner im sure you can see what im saying)

[Negald-aggramar]

I dont know why some of yall would want to have players on your server that dont want to play with you. Its like having that one kid that was forced to play football on your team that just brings your morale down because they dont try to play at all. Let them leave and be happy and you can continue on doing what you and your fellow players want to do.

I understand why they do it. This is a multiplayer game. The other players are part of the content. On your side they add mats to the AH, they’re people you can recruit for your guild, ect. On the opposing side, they’re people you can kill in wPvP.

The people who are against transfers are simply hoping that the majority of the people complaining with suck it up and stick around. With BGs coming out soon hopefully they will

[Holymary-fairbanks]

@Negald-aggramar

Is faction imbalance as big of a deal on PvE servers?

I have not done any research into that, whatsoever. And, my questions tend to go unanswered.

@Holymary-fairbanks

I think it would be a good idea to define a few things first, and to pose a couple of questions, I think are worthy of answering:

• what precisely is faction balance? (how do we define it, precisely)
• what problem(s) precisely exist as a result of faction imbalance?
  • can we measure them? Are they worse on worse balanced servers and better on better balanced ones?
  • do they not exist on balanced servers?
  • do any of these problems exist on unbalanced PVE servers?

[Jugaa-grobbulus]

Hopefully only for the really imbalanced servers, which Blizz has the actual data.

[Negald-aggramar]

I just don’t see why you guys can’t understand that if you’re rolling on a PVP server that is your commitment to that server,

They clearly did not know what it meant. They don’t have the perspective you have. Letting them leave would actually HELP stabilize the communities cause then everybody who’s there would WANT to be there.

[Burp-herod]

Yeah, help stabilize them into being cemented as horde only PVE servers.

This is a 15 year old game, if the new retailers didn’t know what it meant, they should go back to retail and not sour the experience of those who wanted to come back to this game the way it was…

Or better yet? Screw it, have blizzard officialy name a server as the “oldschool anti QQ” server where you can transfer to once but can never transfer off ever again that isn’t subject to any of the concerns raised.

I would be content with just one, ONE server that isn’t going to die in the paid transfer apocalypse if it had to be that way. I’d be cool with putting my hands over my ears and drowning out the silence of you all ruining the game for yourselves.

[Negald-aggramar]

I’d say once a realm is at 40/60 Alliance-Horde that it’s imbalanced. Especially with so many more people on each server compared to vanilla. That ratio equals 50% more Horde than Alliance

[Holymary-fairbanks]

I’d say once a realm is at 40/60 Alliance-Horde that it’s imbalanced.

And, how are you defining Alliance and Horde?

E.g. Only level 60s who have logged in at least once within the past two weeks.

[Negald-aggramar]

I’d say it would have to be total characters level 50-60. I think those people are the ones who are most likely in it for the long haul.

[Jugaa-grobbulus]

Which is why I say I’m for transfers on the handful of realms with 20/80, 30/70 imbalances. Not all of the realms need transfers.

[Holymary-fairbanks]

total characters level 50-60

And how often would they have to log in, and for how long to count, or does it matter?

[Zevri-windseeker]

I want to know why so many people are against PvP-PvE transfers.

Beats me. But there are 2 unrelated issues:

1. Why is the corporation Blizzard not allowing this. Will Blizzard allow this? If so, why or why not?

2. Why are players in the forums for this or against this? Do players think that Blizzard should allow this?

This isn’t a player-designed game. It never was. Besides, players in the forums are 1% of players, not “all players” like some pretend.

[Holymary-fairbanks]

players in the forums are 1% of players

If even that. I’d also imagine that they represent the most disgruntled of players as well, among the ones who felt so bad about something they had to voice their opinions somewhere.

[Pags-sulfuras]

Which is why I say I’m for transfers on the handful of realms with 20/80, 30/70 imbalances. Not all of the realms need transfers.

60/40 is a horrifying imbalance

[Zevri-windseeker]

paid transfer apocalypse

Is that when Blizzard allows transfers, but no player has ANY idea which servers are different in what ways?

Or is it worse? Shark-nadoes? Grizzly-canes?