I was giving more a general response to people who have similar complaints.
Though this is what I was referring to about people who when left to themselves will do nothing then log out.
Letting people know you’re available for whatever sounds good on paper but won’t get you into much. I’ve seen like 10 people milling around all agreeing that they should do something and they’re all down for something but until someone takes initiative, nothing happens.
You’d be better off coming up with your own goals (I want to run low keys for this new alt, or I want to push keys for ksm/rating) then asking if anyone would like to join you.
Or the goal to help others: a “hey, let’s push your new healers key as high as we can” would go further than “I’m here if you need me”
If it’s just for raiding though, you should have the expectations figured out before raid rolls around to see if you’re going. Then, if you are going, and you perform well then you should be coming back; but some friendly chitchat or banter will certainly help.
There’s the problem right there. If you aren’t one of the cool kids, nobody cares. It’s not a problem exclusive to WoW either, I’m afraid. I have the same problem when I get into FCs in FFXIV, or fleets in Star Trek Online. If you aren’t in that little circle of bros, just… yea.
That’s fair and some very good advice on how to approach this better. Thank you!
Not to the guild, but to myself, definitely. It’s probably some weird insecurity since I’m so new to this. The biggest thing I’m taking away from this, and I appreciate all the responses, is that it takes time and I need to be patient. The social climate is not what I expected or remembered, so it was very quickly isolating and I probably jumped to some pretty extreme conclusions.
Why do guilds usually recruit? to fill a raid slot or because “we have 600 members” sounds better than “we have 599 members”. But anyways i said get invested IN A FRIENDSHIP which is different from a guild investing in you as a raider. It’s pretty much on you to convince everyone that’s in the guild that you aren’t a leech.
In my opinion WOW has a lot of people with the “Grammar Police” mentality, the people who can’t take jokes and get easily irritated over everything. I’ll go as far as to say the game makes you toxic because of these folks and the system is catered to an elitism mentality instead of being fun.
Its a fresh breath of air when you go over to games like FF14 and people are actually nice because they’re having fun.
However there are still good folks in WOW but I completely understand where you’re coming from.
That’s a fair point. I just think the guild, since they recruit you, should at least pretend to like the fact you chose them over the 500 others available. Being nice should be baseline. I don’t know why I’m having to explain this to people.
YES. Thank you for understanding my point of view! This elitist environment is terrible. I’m literally having to break down and explain to people that being nice to new recruits shouldn’t a perk for veteran members… you know… because being nice is something every human should be doing anyway.
The raids are getting harder, attendance and dedicated players are fewer and fewer, and there’s already general animosity because Blizzard has made loot so rare. Raiding in general takes a lot of work with little reward. It’s supposed to be the pinnacle of the game and they’ve screwed it up by implementing dumb mind game systems created by some psychology minor who thought trying to trick people’s brains to play more would generate more revenue. They are out of touch horrible devs that have poor leadership.
If not know that went to crap real fast and goons basically took back everything in like…2-3 weeks?
welcome to eve. Only goons can kill goons.
Like long ago when Kartoon didn’t pay the SOV payment for the month. wrecking how the alliance worked for a good while.
I was in IT at the time. Or BoBit…as some called since well Sir Molle of BoB fame ran the show.
That was some “fun” weeks of cleaning out their crap as it went nuts for bit after. So many structure shoots. Got so bad someone would post up a roam invite for suicidal hac roam…and I’d jump on it. Fun flying in a cruiser leading to an assured death? x up for fleet. better than shooting structures all night.
even a crap night in other games or even tbcc leaves you with something. said it once, say it again. drops don’t need to be BIS. they jsut need to be, you know, there. crap vendor gold is still…gold.
Like 2 times in the past 6 months when i’ve been filling my car with gas i passed by someone and they said hello. So me being “nice” i said hello back. Next word out of their mouth was “hey can i borrow 20 dollars for gas money so i can drive to ** some place 50 miles away **”. The in game equivalent of that is a level 5 saying hi to you in Stormwind, you saying hi back and then them asking you for gold. Someone saying hello in zone chat, you saying hello back and them asking you if you can quest with them (translation: can you do my quests for me). Or a new guildie saying hello in gchat, people saying hello back, and new guildie asking for a run through in deadmines or sm.
Being nice should be baseline. Not taking advantage of peoples kind nature should be baseline too. You dont need to convince me to try to be nice. But good luck trying to convince everybody else out there to stop taking advantage of their fellow person for their own selfish needs.
and sometimes these cliques…you may not want to be a part of. I had one char in one guild 2 dudes would go forever about parses. weekly. I was not long for that crew. One night I was going man…lets be honest. you all are confusing the size of your parses with the size of something else.
very merciful guild kick that. I couldn’t do it myself. the comms had me mesmerized like a train wreck.
yea, at least with groups getting more drops we can share too. The vault usually sucks and cant do anything. I been taking crap currencies like research notes every week. It feels like crap doing it because it’s such a boring and lame currency. WAY MORE loot off bosses is needed.
Just the nature of the beast. I’ve joined guilds where people will straight up ignore you saying something in guild chat, but respond to each other. lol I duno, the spirit of WoW died a long time ago–if you aren’t KSM, AoTC, CE, [insert PVP title], etc. people just won’t associate with you in most guilds. Really not sure why a lot of them allow social invites if they’re just going to act like they don’t exist.
Anyway I hope you find a better situation someday.
Its because those very people are obsessed with something as trivial as ksm, aotc, ce and random pvp titles.
They think those in-game achievements make them the bees knees and that anyone who doesn’t already have them is a peasant.
Their lives are so pathetic that the only satisfaction they can get is lording some random achievements over others and so they invite as many people as they can to thier guilds so they have one more thing to brag about. “Oh look everyone we got close to a thousand members, we’re kool”
