I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop and for the Nerubian “allies” we made to reveal that they were evil all along, and will always be, like the Klaxxi.
I agree with the OP. I still don’t see them as redeemable or good. The main contact we have that’s hanging from the ceiling calls us “morsels” ffs. If we had dialogue options I’d have told her that was unacceptable and she better come correct because I’ve swatted bigger bugs than her for breakfast.
You damned dirty spiders!
I never said that they weren’t evil, but that the capacity to change makes that evil not inherent to them.
no, most of them are zealots deceived by Sargeras or too afraid to speak out like the man’ari
This doesn’t matter. so were the Dracthyr, the Earthen, the Mechagnomes, are they mindless slaves to the titans/deathwing? or were the capable of choosing something else?
the Nathrezim were created to be the ultimate spies and infiltrators, a job many of them gladly fulfill, most of them even, but not all. The fact is that the choice exists.
yes, if evil was inherent to the Nathrezim, if that was just “how they are” they would not be able to choose, at all. No better than Golems and robots
that is clearly not the case, they can be separated, even turned directly against them. making it a learned behavior
and they wouldn’t exist at all if they were inherently evil.
it is proven that redemption is possible for the Nathrezim, making every act of evil they do under the Legion’s banner or Denathrius’s a conscious choice. Going “whoops! they can’t help it! the evil is just in their blood” removes responsibility for their actions and makes them less actively evil.
You say that like the playable races don’t go around slaughtering other races whilst having a completely civilised and normal city they call home…
If anything it is great that they have their own differing opinions and desires rather then be a giant monolithic culture hive mind like so many other races Blizzard has come up with in the past.
The player character, aka The Champion of Azeroth, is the epitome of evil. We will kill anything or anyone the quest giver asks us to. Most times we don’t even care why. We do it solely for the purpose of getting better at killing. Plus the gold is kinda nice.
To the two arguing about the one non evil dreadlord.
I didnt play through where ever he was found. But did he chose to join the good guys? Was he forced via magic? Possed by some weird light monster?
The orcs pretty much are a bunch of warmongering monsters with no real justification for anything they do and absolutely shouldn’t be trusted.
good point. I mean the naaru tried to “fix” illidan so who’s to say that dreadlord wasn’t also “fixed”?
Ive seen pics of the dreadlord and he was all golden and glowing sort of like our favorite DH was becoming.
Seems to me that the dreadlord was forced to be good
It also states that they were breed and were wicked and cruel by nature. That they held an inborn disdain for all things good, pure and orderly.
In 2024 the concept of the hero and the villain can no longer exist, nor can the concept of good or evil.
What do you mean? isn’t this World of Inclusive Craft?
I played MoP while it was current, so I remember the Klaxxi.
Here’s the thing; even as we gained reputation with the Klaxxi mantid, they always remained distant and aloof to us. Always treated us coolly.
But the Severed Threads nerubians? They started out polite and welcoming, and grew more affectionate towards us the more we worked with them.
Heck, due to our actions with the “First Ascended” (who was a victim of Xal’atah/Ansurek, might I remind you), the Vizier and Widow were explicit in expressing their gratitude. The Vizier outright said we’d always have allies in Azj-kahet.
The Klaxxi never did any of that.
Just wanted to point that out. There’s quite the difference.
looking into this, we don’t actually know when or how Lothraxion joined the army of the Light. we know that he lost a fight against locus walker when he was still an agent of the Legion, and that he spared his life because he foresaw his destiny, but by the time lothraxion comes up again he’s already lightforged
Lothraxion was cleansed by the light and freed of fel.
The Man’ari aren’t free of fel. They’re still using it.
Fel makes evil. It is canon. It removes positive emotions such as empathy.
Beings composed of fel (demons) are inherent evil. That’s the logical consequence and the reason why Arzaal is a bad fanfiction and shouldn’t exist.
Lore that ignores this well-established pillar of warcraft is bad writing and should not be defended.
Honestly, the Arathi themselves are more similar to the Klaxxi than the Nerubians we work with are. If the Arathi Empire declares war on the rest of Azeroth, you can bet General Steelstrike will side with them. There’s not really anything similar with the Nerubians.
I mean, we’re talking about the origin of Uruk in Tolkien’s works, which is hardly an established fact. And if we give one creator license to formulate the world as they see fit, then why not other creators, or conglomeration of creators? Would Tolkien’s changing of the Uruk’s origin from stone, to elves, to corrupted elves, be seen the same way as the original poster sees the changing of the Nerubians?
where is this stated, is this old defunct lore? because this is the first i’m hearing of this. Also the Illidari have injested enough fel that they turned into demons and they’re explicitly heroic
yikes thats a hell of a take…
not a single magical force is inherently evil or good, never has been, never will be
These Neurbians aren’t an old god army though. This kingdom of Neurbians actively resisted the old god’s surviving proxies after the black empire started to fall. They were then taught by their history that the old gods were horrible monstrous masters who used them as playthings, who twisted and toyed with them however they wanted, and whom even the highest Neurbian was only a slave to. And that Neurbians needed to stand up without Gods and be strong enough on their own to resist if the Old Gods came back, otherwise they would go back to being nothing but slaves.
Meanwhile the Klaaxi taught their kids that the Old Gods made them strong, that the old gods made them fearsome, that the old gods would never let the Klaaxi fall to other powers. They sought the return of the old gods, and the return of the Black Empire.
These are some very different narratives.
You are most likely not evil, you are just 3d rendered that way. 
They are spiders therefore predators …so its obvious that they are blood thristhy savages
Yeah the Arathi give me scarlet crusade vibes especially with the whole fire thing they have going