Why are people saying SL is bad?

Yea. I’m unforgivably bored with it. It failed miserably to capture me for whatever reason?. It feels like stultifying ‘chores’ to me in Shadowlands. I know this game has always had its grindy elements imbedded into it; (that part of the nature of these type games) but for some reason the Shadowlands grind feels much MUCH more painful and disrespectful of time than previous expansions.

Technically there are things to do in SL; but nothing I WANT to do! Nothing feels interesting, or rewarding in SL for me as a semi casual. I suppose if you are a hardcore raider or high level PvP’er, you’re probably enjoying SL, but for the semi casual type…many are not. I’ve unsubbed and my sub ends in just over a week. I’m out. Not wasting my time doing these SL chores. World of Chorecraft or World of Borecraft. Both are applicable to how ive personally felt with Shadowlands.

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This also might be shocking. Hence why I am asking. WOW mind blown.

You could be doing +4s if you simply swapped your spec.

It’s literally 1 UI button away.

Also, if you wanted to play 2H Frost, why Venthyr ? 2H Frost is the only DK spec that doesn’t work well with Venthyr, at least you should have gone DW Breath.

Nope, Blizzard has stated that fact themselves, but keep thinking yours is the majority.

I’ve posts from the BC era that just like the current haters of this game, so the more things change, the more they stay the same.

You just sound like a cry baby who wants stuff but doesn’t want to put any effort into it.
A lot of people enjoy the art style of WoW. Holds up better than a realistic graphic approach. Those games don’t age well at all. Looking at the differences from vanilla areas to later xpacks …you see how much time WoW has put into improving world and character graphics. It’s impressive.

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Legion and MoP were both far superior to this, even with their flaws.

You people ask for reasons why people don’t like the expansion, then when they are given, you tell them they are wrong. OP asked the question, I gave my answer.

Those blizzard farts must smell real good huh?

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tells a reason
dislikes the reason
calls out lazy, entitled because reasons
repeat

Some people and these kind of threads are starting to get old fast I might start to straight up mute threads like this one it leads to nowhere but for food for the same parrots.

MoP was definitely one of the better ones. However me like many other didn’t really like the aesthetic of it. It felt off in the sense that we are war loving people and yet we want to channel our inner chi suddenly. At least from the Horde perspective to me. The content was great though for sure.

Legion also another great one. However some of the systems I felt were handled really poorly. Such as legendary’s. I legit didn’t get my BiS until my second to last legendary so it felt extremely bad. I had people blowing me out of the water as MM for multiple raid tiers for no reason and I had no control over it. I also hate endless ap grinds. I am glad that garbage is gone after 6 years of it.

Because it is bad.

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You don’t like the Horde vs Alliance aesthetic ?

Weird.

Nothing is as poor as the Covenants, which yes, are exactly what the players said they would be.

It’s not that we don’t want to hear your thought’s. It’s the way you present them. You sound like a crying 5 year old throwing a tantrum because we disagree.

All your “points” come from a perspective of you looking down on us for enjoying the game in area’s that you don’t enjoy.

If you talk like a human most people will respond like a human. If you talk like a mule most people are going to treat you like a…

This expansion reminds me of Legend of Yeksha or Gates of Discord for Everquest; In that they were expansions in name only. Shadowlands to me I thought was going to be a big expansion. I only experienced BFA’s expansion at launch but I stopped playing then as soon as I hit 120 just because I did not feel like going further.

This time though I was determined to try the endgame. I had my lvl 50 mage all set, and when the expansion launched I had a whole week off from work to play. In about 4 days of 3-5 hours of play I was lvl 60. I wasn’t going lightening fast like some of my guildmates, but I was a bit ahead of the majority of the players. Then it came time to gear. So I ran heroics until I was ilvl 160 then went into M0 and got to 175, then started doing Normal raid where I did not get any loot, but at this point the M+ had opened and the world boss had opened. I got a drop from a world boss, a few M+ items, and my legendary. I was 190 when the vault was in it’s 2nd reset.

I looked around and saw that in order to go further I’d have to play a game that honestly wasn’t and isn’t fun. I don’t like the idea of M+ for higher levels. I don’t like the raiding scene either, I feel like I’m playing DDR with my keyboard. I did not like at the end of the game I felt like there was only 3 approved playstyles and that’s WoW retail.

Shadowlands felt small. At first I was like these places look amazing. Wow. Then I realized that with a day of play you can pretty much explore all there is to explore on a ground mount. You can essentially look around and notice that this large expansion isn’t as large as you think, quite honestly it’s the size of a small backyard. We discovered an entirely new plan of existence in the afterlife but it feels more like BFA than anything because these planes aren’t planes, they’re literally islands floating in the nether.

Couple those feelings with what the game becomes in the endgame I realized if I wanted to play a game where I’d rush through dungeons, be timed, and do it for loot I’d rather play Torchlight 2, Diablo 2, or PoE at least those are games where they don’t try and mislead you as to what they are.

For Alexander wept because he realized there are no more worlds to conquer.

This saying is how I felt. I was exploring regions in Revendreth that weren’t in the main storyline. But then I realized, eventually that region was going to be in the main storyline–it’s just timegated. Then it dawned on me that this entire world shouldn’t have been a world it feels like a glorified mid-patch update. I mean I didn’t play during Naz or Mech when they dropped but I really think that those 2 zones are literally about 25-35% in terms of scale of what Shadowlands is as it’s entirety.

Another issue was class balance. I do not think I would’ve cared as much about the size, and I’d probably would’ve been playing still had my class and spec weren’t absolute garbage for so long. Now the Frost Mage got a buff now, but I am so out-of playing at this stage I’m just like what’s the point? Let me go run harder and faster versions of the 8 dungeons, or let me run the same raid with harder keyboard-kung-fu mechanics? Why? I’m not feeling rewarded and I don’t find the value in this game.

I then decided to level an alt to get my mind off the endgame. And for about 2 weeks I was actually having fun again. I was leveling a feral druid in the Eastern Kingdoms then I went over to Kalmidor to finish in the Un’Goro Crater. I loved it. I was reading quest text, I was exploring, I felt like I was actually being rewarded for playing the game and exploring the world. Then I got to 50. I sat there and said I could re-spec to a Boomkin or Resto and play the endgame as useful classes/specs, but again I said why? There’s nothing big about those 6 areas. The Maw has so many tightly packed mobs and the music is irritating. Torghast is fun the first few times but then you realize it’s not changing and you’re not getting anything new so what’s the point. The dungeons and raids again are just coordinated keyboard dancing and to me that’s not fun–I’d rather build something, level up my skills that way, and then be rewarded for exploring.

So that’s why I found Shadowlands to be boring. Blizzard as a property has 30million MAUs according to their 2020 Q3 report. I’m guessing they probably have about 3-5 MAUs with WoW; but honestly the game rushes you to the endgame because I think that’s the only place where the game actually exists now. Everything else just feels like an empty shell as if locusts swarmed a field and now have left and the only thing that remains is a barren empty void.

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The only actually bad parts about this expansion are the atrocious loot system and the Covenant system. And maybe the Maw I guess.

Everything else is pretty good at worst. Torghast isn’t perfect but it’s damn near the best feature they’ve ever added.

That’s exactly what it is.

The rest is just a bunch of fluff that’s irrelevant to the topic. We get it, you guys ask the question, then don’t like the answer. That’s what “way you present them” means.

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I love Torg too. Even thought most people don’t. Sometimes it’s nice having a form of content you can do on your own and just relax. Don’t have to have a whole party or raid for it.

Some of the power combinations get really fun too. However I feel like that will eventually become pretty stale after you find your best set ups.

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To be fair here, all your points in the OP comes from a perspective of you looking down on people who don’t enjoy the game in the areas you pointed out.

Heck, some of your points where just blatant misinformation, like pretending Covenants are not what the players said they would be when they 100% are.

Dude, really not cool. Dehumanizing someone for disagreeing with you ?

Get that crap out of here.

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Condescending

Calling people liars

Condescending

Condescending

You are right you seem like a stand up guy… Can hardly believe that people don’t like you.

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1 step forward 5 steps back.

I think the problem is there is lots to do for those who want to login for a couple hours here and there, for those wanting to login for 6-8 hours a day they have run out of content.

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