The issue was pay that turned into a rebellion that ended up killing innocent people.
And I’m pretty sure it wasnt. Again Varian was never the kind of guy interested in statues being built in his honor.
Which was avoidable if there was payment.
Weird a guy with no interest in statues is one of the few people in Stormwind with a giant statue. No giant statue of Anduin around. Hmm.
It wasnt avoidable because a Dragon manipilated both sides so that they would have a new pawn to weaken the Alliance from within.
And yet we have a giant statue of the current leader, Turaylon. Oh that was also made because people wanted to honor him and not because he was some vain dude.
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The black dragon didn’t make them not pay before or after, they chose that. Hence avoidable.
Turalyon wasn’t in charge at the time when it was built, dude was presumed dead. Unlike Varian.
And yet she MANIPULATED the situation so that both sides became unreasonable and ultimately was festering the discontent that lead to the death of the queen and other people. And no, a diguised dragon was not an avoidable thing(at least then) because no one expected or fully realized how much dragons wanted to manipulate the mortals for their own ends.
Moving the goalpost huh? Look there has never been any lore that Varian wanted a statue of himself. If anything, people just dedicated statue for him because they liked him.
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I’m saying they still could have paid despite the dragon. She didn’t take all their gold at the time.
Nope.
There’s never been anything saying that Varian randomly was gifted a giant statue of himself while he was ruling as king. If anything, he had it done for himself because he wanted to.
They just made it impossible to get gold from their mines thanks to the kobolds.
Yes.
There is nothing ever stated about that statue. However, there are things stated about Varian’s personality and both he and Anduin generally live modest lives and care about their people. Building statues for himself is against his personality.
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As per the human heritage questline, the defias are a largely defunct organization with only hardened criminals left. Everyone else bailed either before or after Anduin cleaned up things.
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They had gold not in mines. You know, they usually refer to them as coins.
Nope. You’ve given no proof.
He sat on a giant golden throne that was like twenty feet high with four golden lions in his palatial keep that’s as big as a city district. The dude wore special full plate armor and a magical transforming sword. Nothing about that is modest.
And pretty sure most of that gold was being spent to fund the military fighting threats which included the Defias. Again, the defias by that point didn’t want a pay check, they wanted a destroyed Stormwind, hence the Juggernaut.
And you have given no proof to your little head canon.
Every ruler of Stormwind sits in the same throne. If anything, the throne probably predates him lorewise. As for his sword, he got that from Jaina and as for the plate armor, like Stormwind provides plate armor to their military, why wouldn’t they do it for their king?
In any case, Varian will be written as a hero in the history books while Vancleef will be at best written as a tragic villain who died at the hands of random adventurers.
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I’m talking about before the Defias formed. After they could have using the military funding to pay instead of fight them too. ??
I’m talking about your little claim about the goalposts moving.
By choice. If he was really modest, he would have changed the throne. Just like how he lives in a massive palatial keep, that’s his choice. Heck, a really modest person would have said no more monarchy, lets change our system of government instead of letting me decided everything.
Because none of it looks modest, he wasn’t wearing normal looking plate, it was a special flashy affair. Just like how having a giant statue of yourself out front isn’t modest.
You mean after they killed the queen and a bunch of other people rampaging in the streets of Stormwind? You can imagine why Varian might not have wanted to pay them.
You tried to blame for Varian for having a statue and claim that this is not normal when the only other leader of Stormwind, Turaylon had one. I am saying if one can get a statue as a gift, so can Turaylon.
His plate armor is looks more modest then half the stuff we players can wear nowadays.
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Weak move. Chickened out the best story Humans ever had.
Well I meant before the riot. But yes, after too they still had a responsibility. Which had he done before, it would have headed off that issue.
I never said it is impossible to get a statue as a gift. But for Turalyon’s statue he literally couldn’t have made it for himself whereas for Varian he definitely could have.
And the players are INCREDIBLY immodest looking.
Before the riot both sides had been manipulated into not talking/being unreasonable(with Onyxia making it seem like the Masons work were substandard). And after the riot, well it was kinda impossible considering who was killed.
And again all you have is a headcanon that has nothing to do with the lore we have on Varian as a character.
Players, not Varian. Honestly at best he has a slightly above average look armor set.
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Before the riot, they still could have paid, though. Like I already said, Onyxia didn’t steal their gold.
And no, it was still possible after as well. Her death didn’t make that impossible. That was a choice.
Still haven’t explained the supposed goalpost shift.
You’re the one who brought up players, not me. His armor looks that way, his palatial keep looks immodest, his massive golden throne. Nothing about this is immodest. Having a statue for himself totally fits with all that stuff.
Why would you pay for a shoddy product that was not built up to the contract you agreed to? The entire point of Onyxia’s deception was to make it so both side seemed like they were breaching their contract. And yes, her death and subsequent manipulation of event made it virtual impossible to find a compromise for the two sides until both Varian and Vancleef were both dead and people just wanted to move on.
I have already explained it. Suffice to say find me proof Varian made the statue for vanity or consider that you have nothing but a head canon.
He has a throne that is suppose to show might and authority. Everyone, including Turaylon is sitting on it. That is not neccesarily their personality or a design to live an extravagant life and just part of the normal facade of royalty.
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To prevent a riot.
No you didn’t, you just claimed it and moved on.
The normal facade of royalty isn’t modest, yeah. That was my point. It is still his choice to engage in it that way.
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No one expected a damn riot. And not one that would kill the queen that was trying to make sure the Masons were paid.
Yes I did.
You can engage with it while not being sucked into it fully to the point you demand people make statues of yourself.
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They couldn’t be that incompetent.
Nope and you haven’t really given evidence you have.
I think the extent he shows is statue territory.