Now I really wanna see dwarves vs Horde. But by capable writers.
And as shaped from the Earth itself, they have a connection to it which makes them natural born Shamans. They can hear the Elements clearer then most races.
And historically, Dwarves are all such natural born Shamans, including Mountian Dwarves. The Practice has fallen out of favor in resent years among the Bronzebeard Clan but they have been rediscovering their Shamanic heritage, similar to what happened to the Orcs and with the Tauren with Drudism.
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It would be a good fight since Dwarves and Gnomes combined have all the major advantages the Alliance have over the Horde in one small package with their tactical and technical knowledge added into their mastery of siege and defensive warfare.
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Thatâs factually untrue. They didnât get shaman until⌠when did they get shaman?
See above.
Whenever the first Wildhammers were introduced. Day of the Dragon novel maybe?
They didnât get shaman in game until⌠idk, cataclysm at the earliest.
Lore wise? Sometime before they summoned Ragnaros. Went about as well for them as when Thrall tried it.
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Because theyâre bros. Their only goals in this world seems to be to make bigger canons and get even more drunk. How could you want to hurt a people with such noble goals?
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Also, arenât the dark iron shamans actually dark shamans? Meaning they could mess up the elements so hard around ironforge that the Horde shamans wouldnât be able to do anything? Kinda like the dark shamans in the Siege of Orgrimmar.
I imagine the wildhammer wouldnt like it, but is an option. That is the problem of shamanism, you can just cut them off the elements.
Potentially. I mentioned that the Dwarves would be tucked if the earthen ring could free the elementals.
Look, Iâm not going to split hairs over how good shamans dwarves are, or how tight they are with the elementals. Thatâs all malleable as hell, and there are few enough shamans of any race that power levels are all over the board.
Hereâs what I do know.
They are good enough, through whatever avenues, at calling up elementals to either roll a natural 1 or 20, depending how you look at it, and summon Ragnaros, turning a good portion of the Redridge mountains into a scorched wasteland.
And thatâs an impressive level of element-finagling by any measure.
âŚalso that lava elemental daily where itâs basically gnomebliteration but with goblins is pretty great too.
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Dude they didnât even have shamans back then. Their pacts with Ragnaros were just that: performed by warlocks.
Sorcery, whatever that is. He was a sorcerer-thane. Whatever that entails.
Thatâs why I said âelement-finaglingâ. Because, you know. All roads get to Rome.
Also the shamans do the big goblin eating lava-ride, so thereâs that. Iâm filing it under âanswer unclearâ, because of the lack of proper background on the D.I. shamans/fire elementals.
Look, Iâm only wound up in this because the night elf tried to say that the dwarfâs titanic robot ancestry means theyâre inherently shamans, which isnât true by any stretch of the imagination. shamans have never worked with titans. mountain king has nothing to do with elemental spirits, which would be the deciding factor in if ironforge gets earthquaked or not.
dark irons have dark shamans now, so they could maybe do a thing by enslaving elements. but god help ironforge if the horde broke the shackles.
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Maybe!
I would love for Blizz to clarify a TON of questions I have about dwarves, both in general, and regarding specific clans and exactly things like that. Like, the dwarf rogue organization âThe Hidden Circleâ barely exists at all. Which is either really impressive for a rogue organization or, in reality, everyone but dwarf-nerds like me forgot it existed.
As for the shaman issue, the Wildhammers âgrew closer to natureâ when they left Grim Batol. The D.I.s have⌠some sort of relationship with the elements that seems their own, almost by necessity of history. The Bronzebeards did not have any, until the Wildhammers taught them quite recently as the history of things go.
So, if you asked me to spitball it? Wildhammers picked it up after the War of Three Hammers. By all evidence, theyâre decent at it. The D.I.'s⌠probably got there in their own way, and we donât have much on it at all, but knowing D.I.s, and how fire elementals often are, it probably wasnât sunshine and lollipops. That said, they seem very solid at what they do.
Bronzebeards seem like default, closest to post-curse-of-flesh dwarves from what we know. So they prooobably didnât start out with shamans.
It doesnât mean they canât produce individuals as strong as anyone else however- shamanism seems pretty equal opportunity, as does the Earthen Ring.
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Iâve been a lore beard since 2005 and Iâve never even heard of it. Blizzardâs letting you down, chief.
I have no opinion on when they picked it up, but I agree of the three clans theyâre true shamans.
D.I.s have a history of slavery and a hate-on for fire elementals. They certainly didnât believe in living in harmony with them. Maybe that changed since they were released as a player race, but I am doubtful.
We know they didnât by WC3/WoW Classic class choices alone. The Alliance didnât have shamans. The Horde didnât have paladins. That suggests to me that the Wildhammer learned from the Broken â but they couldâve just been off in the Aerie doing their own thing I guess.
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Haha and Mole Machine go BRBRBRRBRRRRRRBR!
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Dwarves have an inherent bond to the Earth and nature surrounding it. Their entire creation was based around going underground and carving valleys; shaping the land itself.
Earthen for example are attenuated to the earth.
Dwarvenkind, or rather those that followed after, likely also practiced Shamanism with how Sorcerer-Thane Thaurissan could summon Ragnaros in the War of the Three Hammers. Anything connected to the Earth the Dwarves have an affinity towards it whether it be simple igneous rock or the molten flow underneath.
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The earthen (sometimes referred to as early dwarves)[1][2] are stony titan-forged beings that were created by the Titanic Keepers to help shape the subterranean regions of the world during the ordering of Azeroth.
Following the war with the Old Gods, the titan keepers used the Forge of Wills to create new titan-forged races to help them reshape and order the world. Yet their first designs proved too complex and overambitious. Rather than making the perfect servants, they had created stone-skinned savages known as troggs. The keepers quickly refined and perfected their designs. The craggy, kindhearted earthen were the next generation of titan-forged to emerge from the Forge of Wills, created from magical, living stone.[1] The keepers were troubled by the troggs but they could not bear to destroy them. Instead, the titanic watcher Ironaya built a small subterranean vault known as Uldaman that would act as a stasis chamber for them. Other new titan-forged races were the clockwork mechagnomes, the stone-skinned mogu, the iron-skinned vrykul and the chiseled tolâvir. The earthen would specialize in crafting mountains and carving out the deep places of the world.[3][4]
Itâs like saying a drill is natural.
I will not stand for Dwarven sympathy. Trembling at the sight of manlets with hammers is not Horde. Doomhammer had a dream, and that dream was a red Eastern Kingdoms. #DoomhammersDream #ForTheHorde
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