In fairness the Dwarves also have Shamans. Elementals can be bribed and reasoned with like any other sapient creature so, if they find some rock elementals attached to a mountain willing to negotiate they could probably work it out.
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So? The trolls and Taurens have remained relative unscathed as well, aside from losing their faction leader, and in the case of the Darkspear it might turn out for the best depending on what happens to Volājinās spirit. In fact the trolls have probably better off then most.
Not everyone needs to suddenly end up having a tragic story, for once Iād rather we not end up destroying another major city. At least for the next expansion or so.
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The Darkspear were butchered by Garrosh and thrown out of Orgrimmar! Part of this characters backstory is seeing his family taken away by the Korkron!
I agree that no more of the world should be destroyed, ultimatelyā¦ but I have begun to notice a suspicious lack of antagonism towards Dwarves on this forum, fromā¦ every one. Alliance people love Dwarves, and for some reason, Horde people love Dwarves. Alliance people bicker with themselves, some love humans Anduin, some hate them, both usually wanna kill Orcs or forsaken. Horde people love to crack jokes about dead Nelfs or punting gnomes, while also bickering with eachother about whether Orcs or Belves are superior. No one, however, is making Dwarf jokes, no one is saying letās destroy Ironforgeā¦ and I am getting sick of it!
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Go read anything with dwarves in Warhammer Fantasy.
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Nobody worries about it. Dwarves? Do it to themselves in most settings.
Tolkien: Where too greedily and too deep came from. If they arenāt awakening Balrogs, theyāre letting rings of power make them EXTRA greedy and attracting race decimating dragon attacks.
Warhammer: I mean, everyone kinda gets it here. But the Dwarves fought āThe War of the Beardā/āWar of Venganceā against the very powerful elven kingdom. Ultimately ending in the death of the elven king, the Dwarves declared āvictoryā, though it was such a pyrrhic victory it left them unable to defend their homes from orc hordes and word-repeating rats, and their kingdoms have never recovered.
The Elder Scrolls: Ok, so theyāre technically elves, but the tropes still apply. Big underground cities. Industrious. Metaphorically dug so greedily and deep in to reality that they possibly either blew themselves out of existence, or achieved racial CHIM. ā¦letās be real though, it is probably the former.
Warcraft: They fought a three way civil war (granted, mostly against the D.I.), ending with the permanent abandonment of one dwarf capital, and the outright annihilation and enslavement of its people to another. By an elemental lord. The dwarves summoned themselves. Dāoh.
Guildwars and Dragon Age have oddly similar stories, and in both cases it is ātechincallyā not their fault. Big evil corrupt monster rises from the deeps, Dwarves start turning themselves into stone golems out of desperation. In the former, it is the entire race. In the latter, it isā¦ definitely not, but caused a great many social issues.
Dwarf Fortress: ā¦basically every game worth talking about.
Dwarves have an inner Flintlocke. Wait long enough, and theyāll roll a natural 1.
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How can you stay angry at this?
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But what I am saying is there is a weird consensusā¦ people love Dwarves. Dwarf hatred is not nearly as prevalent among fan bases as is elf hatred, orc hatred, gnome punting etc. At least thatās my observation! Whatās the deal?!
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I have no idea that doesnāt boil down to circular reasoning. Why are they so similar across wildly different settings? No idea.
All Iāve got is, theyāre the fantasy equivalent of a lager and a roast beef sammich. Or a steak dinner and apple pie. Entirely predictable in s lot of ways, but that doesnāt mean it isnāt still good.
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The entire ecology of that zone is likely going to die. I donāt know what the greater functions of Thelsamar were, but with the Loch drained the local wild life will suffer tremendously and I doubt the town be able to support itself anymore.
Thereās no contradiction here.
The historian quizzes you on general history.
Sylvannas actively discouraged her Forsaken from trying to reconnect to their living roots, especially those relatives who were still among the living. Her most extreme action in this category was her assasination of those Forsaken who even CONSIDERED joining with their loved ones in the Alliance.
Of all the races, one race is bound to be hated LEASTā¦ It just happens to be dwarvesā¦
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Itās simple. Dwarves embody two basic male manly virtuesā¦ Bacon and Beer, seasoned with a bad Scottish accent.
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If by considering you mean āin the general direction of the ideaā then sure.
Also the next quest is fetching books for him from Scarlet Monastery. Also thereās book stores. Also thereās a lot of quests where you sort out loose ends from a Forsakenās life, like bringing one NPC the hands of the man who strangled his wife.
A lot of them clearly want to move on and forge new identities but it is categorically false to suggest theyāve abandoned living memory and the emotions they cause
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Reading over this thread, Iāve kind of found it hard to argue against most of the points raised here, but this made me think, Caedmun. āToo greedily and too deepā is the dwarf tropeā¦ but more and more as I examine the current state of dwarves, the writers seem to have abandoned that (as they have so many other things, kek)
A lot of people have pointed out how strong Ironforge is, how defensible. How itās situated in the middle of Alliance lands, capable of withstanding damn near any siege, with the dwarves making capable warriors, priests, mages, shamans, rogues, hunters, engineers, miners, blacksmiths. How their economy is strong, theyāve gone mostly unscathed from the huge depopulations of other races, how theyāve brought their lost clans back into the fold (more or less).
Itās almost like a microcosm of the issues with the Alliance story as a whole, but magnified. Thereās no credible external threat, as the Horde probably couldnāt siege a wet paper bag right now. Thereās no internal conflict, with the flavorless council and the DI brought back on as an allied race. Thereās no greed, no imperialism, noā¦ nothing. There almost doesnāt exist a credible threat to them.
Which is great in real life, as nobody WANTS conflict. But in a story, where do you go with that? Dwarvesā problems have been solved, the reconciliation happened, and theyāve been basically madeā¦ well, as close to perfect as a WoW race is going to get. Itās kind of like you have nowhere to go. Iām not really a Dwarf fan, or closely knowledgeable on their lore, butā¦ I dunno, I feel a kind of envy as a Horde player. Given the way itās been described, thereās basically two races of the Alliance that could damn near solo the entire group if they wanted. Itād be kind of nice if there was SOME kind of advantage or niche that we werenāt overshadowed in.
Iām kind of just rambling now, just thoughts that percolated up as I was reading the thread.
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Well, thereās the Cult of Ragnaros thatās still out there after the DI recruitment questline, butā¦ they just never show up ever again.
And Smolderon is still missing (either dead or kidnapped by the Cult of Ragnaros) and theyāre trying to resurrect Ragnaros, and that just got swept under the rug yet would be a fairly significant threat to Khaz Modan.
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It would be interesting if all of that plays into the schism occuring in the Alliance after BfAā¦
I mean, the Dwarves are getting it together, building up to be the new powerhouse with in the faction, while Stormwind is unraveling.
Perhaps Moria is so good at playing diplomat that she has now convinced the bronzebeard and Wildhammer to name her queen. She can then look to take control of the Alliance. Could make for an interesting premise
I claimed no such thing. In fact, I directly claimed the opposite of what you said.
I get you.
Itās a weird place to be in, yāknow? Yes, nothing can really touch them, so because of that? They donāt do anything with them. Itās like that with a lot of the Alliance races.
And they do have all kinds of potential to actually try something. Magniās not just a statue, anymoreā¦what does that mean for the Bronzebeards? Muradin (Iām not in Ironforge right now, so I think thatās whoās in charge) is in charge, but how do the Bronzebeards feel about that? And the Dark Iron thingā¦thatās just dormantā¦somethingās going to happen at some point, even if itās the fact that Moira might make a move for the Bronzebeardā¦clan? Thing?
I agree; though I hesitate to agree too strongly because I donāt need Blizzard thinking that means āI guess we should blow up Ironforge thenā.
Althoughā¦I mean, if the only thing that can stop Stormwind/Ironforge is Stormwind/Ironforge, that would be interesting to actually see. Some division, some civil war, something like that.
In the end, it takes a dwarf to take down a dwarf.
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Actually, they were warlocks. Classic is live, Mcgowan. Go have a look.
Are you really going to lie like that? Draenei had Orcs beat by probably millions of years.
Which is why the worldās pre-eminent portal specialists would cover transportation inside. The reason that no one has ever successfully invaded Ironforge is the mountain itself and the very big door. Remove those, and dwarves donāt have that great of an army.