Why are balance passes not being made?

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The difference in what specs can put out damage and healing-wise is incredibly immense right now, yet minimal to no balancing passes have been done to improve on the specs that are hurting. 25-30% difference between the top and bottom is pretty crazy for an expansion that has had so many balance tunings.

Multiple specs have trouble doing aoe vs single target, the tier bonuses are all over the place in effectiveness. I appreciate having the bear tier bugs finally fixed (weeks after release when they were reported on PTR…) but why is no other work being done specs as a whole? RWF is well over, guilds and M+ teams are stacking Demon Hunters and Rogues because, shocker, the reworks made them OP (as seems to be the trend this xpac).

Those specs/classes play great and have wonderful flow to their specs now. Why are you not working on the other ones?

  1. Why are Spriests feeling so bad for damage now that their utility has been gutted? Does PI just need to be a self cast to let them feel ok?
  2. Why are death knights all so low in dps? Unholy seems the hardest hit, given it used to be a monster with PI, but now seems to lag behind after your “changes”…
  3. Why are Windwalkers spending the entire time at the bottom? Are you ever going to actually work on them so that they scale as gear increases?
  4. Why are Elemental Shamans crud at any fight that isn’t a 3 target cleave? Their single target got gutted when you destroyed the tier set TWICE and their AOE is horrible now.
  5. Why is Affliction still built on Legion dps mechanics without the Legion spells that it is built to work with? Extending dots with a 2min CD when you don’t have dots worth extending for any meaningful dps increase???
  6. Frost, Ret, Arms… constantly near the bottom
  7. Dev Evokers feeling still asked to go Aug because you put one support spec into the game that makes it feel bad when someone plays Dev, because they could be Aug.

So, so, so much more… WHY aren’t you doing anything?

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Like i said in another post similar to this one.

Just reroll to the fotm spec and move on. This is the way it has always been and always will be. Protesting on the forums has done nothing in the past 18 years.

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Your PI got replaced by Evoker.

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All 3 Rogue specs in the top 3, all 3 Mage specs at the bottom. No idea why we’ve only had 2 extremely tame tuning passes with the first one barely qualifying as one and no more since. If there’s no major tuning next Tuesday, I fully expect things to stay as they are at least until mid-January.

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About time.

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I will never understand the hate people have against this class. A class that can only DPS should have at least one of their specs excel at the single role it can fulfill even if its not the best.

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Keep not understanding. Glad mages are bad.

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Blizzard is about to go on their 2 week Christmas break so I’m guess they don’t want to push any code changes that could cause huge bugs while they are gone.

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They aren’t going to buff underperforming specs until they can settle on how to nerf the overperforming specs. As it is the season 3 content is quite undertuned compared to s1 and s2, so simply buffing the underperforming specs will only exacerbate that issue by acting as a further nerf to the content.

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I knew aug evokers were going to be an issue when they announced them. For that reason, forced to play them or be booted from raids.

Support specs don’t work in the holy trinity of mmos.

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I doubt increasing/decreasing a few percentages would mess up the code.

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You’d be surprised how easily bugs can happen when coding lol.

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Nerf all classes and buff the class that I’m currently playing.

Thank you!

PS. It’s currently a ret paladin, put me at the top of the list. Thanks.

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I’d be all for another tuning pass but it seems like most classes are in a decent enough space for the content. Shadow and WW probably could use the most love.

Key variability is a lot higher than last season (a low barrier) with many classes and specs doing well (havoc, rogue, balance, frost mage, BM, demo, ret, enhance, Aug, etc.). All the healing classes seem fairly decent, even resto shamans which are probably the lowest.

Players aren’t going to equally divide themselves among all the specs even if they were all good.

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Full disclosure, I’m a tank, on multiple classes so to a large degree I don’t care. I play bear, BDK, prot pally, and while I know VDH is the hot sh1t in M+ right now, nobody largely cares what spec I play until content well above the level I care to do.

However, I do love my little Ele alt, but man, I’m going to have to make it Enh, not because I want to play Enh (I don’t), but because the difference in how effective those two specs are, and CERTAINLY how they measure up to the current DH/Rogue monsters… there is just no comparing it.

As I said, I play tanks, and I can see the dps in my groups and know what is going to be good or not just by CLASS CHOICE.

Speaking for the mage in this thread… there is some arguement to the “I only bring dps”, but you also bring a buff, food, group defensive, lust, etc.

Why should you do more damage than, say, an Ele shaman, that brings no buff, less support, and really only lust for the group?

Personally I think they need to give every class a raid buff (DKs and Shamans I think are all that is left), Hunters a better raid buff… its dumb. Then they need to give 1 of every pure dps class to the support role. Support Mages, Hunters, Rogues, Locks. Let the Dev Evokers play their spec (and Preserv) and bring the support mage for them!

Every spec should have a reason to get brought, and there should be more choice in how to build teams and how good they are shouldn’t be based on what classes are currently massively overtuned.

It just sucks.

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Blizz’s is bad at their job.

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Yeah, instead of only 3 DPS specs being fixed, it’s now only 2 (Havoc/Aug/X)

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They dont want to upset their precious MDI. And theyre just bad at it. They dont play their own games. D4 is a perfect example.

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There are quite a few 0 havoc teams on the front page of raider.io.

Frost mages, moonkins, outlaw, and demo getting used.

Aug still required though because this season is all about survivability. Probably a reason that despite BM having such high damage it doesn’t show up at the very top due to lack of defensive. I’d imagine enhancement runs into the same issues.

A decent variety in healers (disc, resto druid, Mistweaver), less for tanks (vengence, prot paladin).

So…not even close to Exodia covering the top 1000000 spots.

Not saying havoc couldn’t use reigned in a little more.

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Are there? I’m looking at the Fort page, since that is the week we are on, and it looks like nothing but Aug/Havoc/X (with X normally being a mage).

Seems pretty Exodia like to me as far as dps goes.

Props to Resto Druids though. I REALLY did not expect to see them being so popular (likely just due to MOTW and the other druid specs not being as strong, but still)