In classic vs Retail..
and it’s not even close…and I’m not just talking about boring prepatch…overall TWW was okay but TBC has been a blast…and I’m not even 30 yet. I guess it’s the Nostalgia of having to run everywhere, the questing, revisiting previously forgotten zones etc. I might just play midnight casually (since I already bought the expansion months ago) and focus more on TBC classic when it fully launches on Thursday.
Because it feels like an MMO rather than a Massively Single-Player game that Retail is, outside of… Mythic Double-Plus.
I’m in the same boat. I am way more excited for TBC than I am Midnight. And yes, I did play TBC back in the day so it’s not like it’s new to me but it’ll be really nice to properly play it again after like 19 years.
I just have zero motivation to even log in to retail at the moment. Been having an absolute blast on anniversary!
Are they just screwing up retail on purpose? I don’t keep up with retail at all in any way but I heard the chars have like no buttons now
Classes got simplified. Which was needed for some of them, but they went too far for some. Feral is basically completely gutted. It’s literally more fun and complicated playing feral in TBC pre-patch right now than it feels like in Midnight.
They also screwed up addons, so many addons no longer work and the ones that do have limitations now. For example no more weakauras. Many specs have no way to track certain buffs or debuffs anymore. Can’t track kitty moonfire for one.
So yeah a combination of the spec I have mained literally since TBC being gutted, and having to redo nearly my entire UI with new addons just to get back some of the functionality I had before, makes me completely unexcited for Midnight.
Even someone I know irl wanted to get back into the game but when they logged in and realized they’d need to pay around 60k gold to re-transmog their characters because the pre-patch wiped it all out, they decided to cancel their sub on the spot. 60k gold might not sound like much but if you’re a returning player who didn’t have much gold to begin with that’s out of reach.
It’s just a constant stream of mistakes like this adding up over time. And it’s not like the beta testers didn’t leave feedback on this. Months of feedback only for Blizzard to set things live in a bad state.
Bro.
Rotations in classic are literally one button on some of them.
Classic players will crap on retail for being “simplified and easy” then find excitement playing frost mage in Molten Core.
Baffling.
Classic is an MMO.
Retail is an arcade.
Apparently you like MMOs.
It’s mind blowing they got rid of UI addons.
I get the whole DBM/Foji raid addons, but UI addons makes zero sense.
I was playing TWW casually when I started on era then eventually anniversary. Then I just stopped playing retail completely. Too much going on there.
Nah people are just incapable of thinking long term
Pruning and breaking addons so they can integrate them into the game/stop designing around addons are good for new players or players who haven’t played for a long time and are interested in trying the game
wait people actually play classic versions of the game?
mehhhhhhhh retail is still fun and a mmo.
I figured it has very little to do with retail vs classic. If retail were legion right now, it would dumpster tbc in every possible way. Things just went downhill since bfa. And midnight is like your hottie in highschool but became a cr*ck addict, you just don’t want to touch retail anymore lol.
Don’t blame you one bit. Retail, as others have said, feels more like an arcade game than an MMO RPG. For most of us older players that kind of game design and everything being instanced just isn’t for us. Their target audience is zoomers and people with very short attention spans that need to go from one to the next in short order.
I was a retail addict from Legion thru very early Dragonflight. After BFA the only thing keeping me playing was arenas and pvp in general. When SoD came out I quit altogether to play it as my main game because it felt infinitely more fun than retail. Even with the unbalanced PvP it was a blast, especially doing the WPvP events in Ashenvale in phase 1 and 2. I’ve never had as much fun in WoW as I did in SoD and SoD was certainly not perfect. I had plenty of things I didn’t like about it. The thing of it is that it was a fresh experience, where there was plenty to discover and explore, but it was all wrapped up in a familiar world. Very different from pure nostalgia by itself.
I haven’t had retail installed since SoD and since SoD has ended I have been playing Anniversary realms and don’t plan to look back. I started this Anniversary mage when the guild I was in beat the Scarlet Enclave raid. Once it was on farm I just stopped raiding altogether to focus on my Anniversary character. I will play Anniversary realms until Classic+ comes out. If C+ sucks I’ll go right back to Anniversary realms. I would also 100% play a fresh SoD realm if they ever decided to give us one. There were things I didn’t enjoy about SoD but they could very easily remedy that by just basing the fresh realm off of the last phases changes (aside from rune vendors ofc). That way we don’t have to see a 6 month phase 3 and incursions will be dailies again and not a viable leveling/gold making method again. Those 2 things alone really put a damper on SoD. The fixes they put in were too late, but they were absolutely the correct fix.
Here’s to hoping they at least give us a TBC Era, and maybe a Wrath Era if we’re lucky. That way we have something to fall back to if the C+ adventure goes south.
You’re so weird. You purposefully go to the classic forums and ask if people play the classic versions? You’re like a vegan going to a butcher shop and asking if people there eat meat lol. What are you trying to accomplish?
There is a reason WoW jumped from 8 million to 11 million subs when TBC originally came out. It smoothed out a lot of the rough edges in Vanilla but kept the same core gameplay in place
It’s simply a really well designed game, even if it’s long in the tooth
You’re posting on the Burning Crusade Classic forum, not the Classic forum.
In TBC, I have to juggle mangle, rip, faerie fire, shred, bite, all while powershifting.
I also have to use bear form a lot (in PvP) for tanking damage, charging for interrupts/roots, frenzied regen, bash, etc.
Then I have all my healing spells available to me in caster form. And if I really want to be cheeky I can finish someone off with a moonfire or two.
And this is pre-patch mind you, so I still have a whole 4 new combat abilities to gain!
In retail, I have… Rip, rake, shred, and moonfire. I also have to use tiger’s fury and feral frenzy.
I have way too many stuns and CC that take no thought to use basically because I have so many of them and they are on such low cooldowns that you can pretty much just spam them out in PvP (and they are all useless in most PvE content).
My bear form is literally just for frenzied regen. It does nothing else.
My healing is relegated to spamming a single heal. There’s no options there, no variety.
So yes, playing as feral in TBC classic is more engaging and interesting and complex than playing feral in retail, overall, especially if you’re talking about PvP.
last I tried it was lets do TW week! used to be fun. fast levels, low stress smack mobs silly in a dungoen you’ve seen 1000 times fun.
and it had you go wtf happened here. questing….better? or at least less aggravating.
and devourer. that at low levels had me go you know I can’t complaing about s. priest at level 15 all that much. there can be….worse. Have my 80’s lined up that be the only new char I’d look at.
Wow so glad you picked literally the only spec with a tiny bit of complexity, versus the most watered down spec in retail due to pruning.
You definitely didn’t pick the far sides of both ends of that argument
I agree, TBC really should be the foundation for any classic+ vanilla implementation. It opened up nearly every spec as pve viable instead of the one or two most classes had in vanilla. That said some of them aren’t all that engaging still but you get to play them.