Who's the worst villain?

Every time the Gnomes get close to getting a Capital City, another Radiation Bomb goes off.

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You have those few buildings outside Gnomer last time we went down there to clear out the fart gas what more do you want. :thinking:

Which expac did we retake Gnomer anyway? Are the Gnomes still out of Ironforge living out in the cold?

Edit: On second thought having a capital city isn’t that great if you are Alliance I mean the horde is just going to eventually plague bomb it/blow it up/burn it down without any repercussions.

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The devs will just have Sylvanas commit genocide again and claim its morally grey. To which I’ll politely say. That is the biggest bullcrap I have ever heard I will kill her like the spaztic murderwaifu she is

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I wouldn’t mind the lack of the whole “Scourge on the loose” plotline if it was at least explored elsewhere. An animated movie, comic series from Dark Horse, or even… a separate video game.

It just occurred to me that this would have been the perfect time for a Warcraft 4. A whole new RTS to show the aftermath of the “death” of the Lich King on terrestrial Azeroth while WoW spends an entire expansion off Azeroth.

Alas, an RTS storyline from the current lore team would probably be even more nonsensical.

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Cataclysm.

Operation: Gnomeregan went live on US servers September 7th, 2010.

‘Sylvanas did eat a kitten in front of orphans, it’s true, and then she coerced them into serving on the front lines of her war. But the Alliance also collectively said that eating kittens was something ‘only big jerks do,’ so it’s impossible to say which side is good.’

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Jeez, does anyone needs another Reforged thing? We already have witnessed what Blizzard’s RTS looks like in the 2020s…

But she did no genocide. It was average war activities, that happen in ANY notable conflict on planet Earth… She did not hunt NE exclusively. In fact, now we know that she doesn’t even care much which race will fuel the Maw. NElfs got the most vulnerable capital city built of highly-flammable materials. And a Goddess who sent the souls of her fallen believers to the right place. That’s all.

So what’s the moral of Teldrassil eggplant’s roasting?

  1. Don’t troll the Warchief while dying, especially if you know she got enough siege to burn your city. And the necromancy to raise you just for lulz.
  2. Put neither all eggs in the same basket nor all of your race members in the same tree.

Man it’s almost 2022, can we please just not. Like I am absolutely begging at this point, can it just not happen. I am so tired. I do not have it in me to source the, unfortunately, canon uses of the word genocide (hint; Teldrassil) on top of breakdown why it’s such a terrible thing to decide to quibble over.

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Well, it’s up to you, to stop applying this word which does not fit for Teldrassil burning.

It is l i t e r a l l y applied in the associated short stories, if you want to argue then you can tweet the author, but regardless of the semantics the author’s intent was for it to read and be regarded as such.

If your remaining point is “she didn’t succeed” or “the character’s intent wasn’t”, I’ll stop you right there because “failed at unintended but attempted genocide” is not the stinger everyone makes it out to be.

I’ve been here so many times before, I was being earnest when I just wished you could not.

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My point is not only “the character’s intent wasn’t”. And it really wasn’t, so this can’t be genocide by its definition. She did not hunt a specific race for a purpose. Just a single city was destroyed for tactical and strategy urgencies.

The very legal concept of “genocide” appeared in our world only after the Second World War and does not apply to events that occurred before 1948 for a reason.
How it can be applied to a medieval fantasy universe is completely unclear, where such atrocities were quite a common thing. If so, 95% of WoW history was genocide.

Night elves “tragedy” wasn’t first, and won’t be the last (if only Blizzards survive in the future), and for sure it wasn’t the most horrible one in the world of warcraft. So, there is nothing special about nelfs slaughtering to mark this from the other WoW mass murderings with a special title.

“It wasn’t but if it was then everyone is” also isn’t new and is also pretty close to the point and still somehow simultaneously so irrelevant my god.

Why do people only get hyper defensive about the specific application of the word and never the intent and thematic applications as wedged into the narrative.

Curious.

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Your posts are as tonedeaf as Blizzard’s pr team, please for the love of god

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I think Steve Danuser probably considers it a victory of his writing that we’re still having to have this stupid argument over Teldrassil three years after it happened.

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You could argue that in the very precise definition of the word. That Teldrassil wasn’t really genocide as she wasn’t specifically targeting Kaldorei, just trying to kill as many people as possible, which still makes her story arc boring af

Unless they mentioned that she was specifically targeting Kaldorei somewhere in a book that I never read cause idc about Sylvanas’s story anymore

Frankly. The entire tactic of the Horde capturing Teldrassil and holding its people as bargaining chip would have been far more intriguing then it just being used as a cheap trick to generate shock value

Feel free to correct me if wrong

Intentions? But you’ve just said this doesn’t count?

I didn’t realize this was one of the requirements for it to be a “genocide”.

Then, if Sargeras succeeds in destroying Azeroth does that not count as a genocide of the humans/dwarves/trolls/(any race that can only be found on Azeroth) because he did not have a specific race in mind to kill, he just wanted to kill as many people as possible?

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Your triggering my ptsd with that. I went to school with a girl would play it non stop 24/7

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