Pretty sure he has a reputation for being a traitor
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I agree with this. I felt detach with how he was written in the past. But was glad to see Baine finally showing some sort of emotion for the lost of his friend. I hope they keep develop him this way in the future.
Even as I was questing with my Drakthyr I found myself saying in my head: âGo cry to the Alliance about itâ
Thatâs how I realize how bad the Horde Leaders been written over the past yearsâŚlol
I donât want a Warmonger but would like to see the Horde Leaders behaving like true leaders and being developed in the future like this.
This was a very nice attempt and I appreciate it, just know (to who ever wrote this) its not the writing of this scenes that was off or bad⌠its the past expansion terrible representation of Leadership that made it hard get into this short story. (IMO)
This is just my opinion on it and how it made me feel as I was doing and reading the quest. I really hope they keep trying to write the Horde Leaders better and better⌠god, the Horde needs it badly right now. (IMO)
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i mean, the centaur all act like complete jerks, so its justified by default how badly anyone treats them.
Something to note is that there is such a thing as a window of opportunity in writing. You only have a span of time when you can do certain things, and outside of that window things begin to look and feel off kilter. Baine should have been an active character since TBC or Wrath, but was basically used as a stand-in for Cairne starting with Cata. Since Cata was his rookie year as leader, thatâs when the writers should have worked to establish his character and even show him making mistakes and growing from them (if nothing else, heâd be a nice parallel to Garrosh in that way).
Right now, itâs too late to try to have someone make rookie mistakes when theyâve been a leader for years, and to act out of character for the sake of emotion/trauma. Itâd be a different story if, as someone earlier in the thread pointed out, Baine had been the one to make first contact with the centaur in the plains (meaning he would have been the NPC that led the player into the Ohnaran Plains). That would have been a better place for this story, even if a faction leader joining the Dragonscales Expedition would be a bit odd.
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I agree mostly, But he did have troubled pasts with Centaur and Quillboar as a kid, the Latter actually holding him captive, and it took Rexxar and Rohkan to save him (Warcraft 3 Lore).
While Baine is our Peace-Loving Tauren-Lord, and I do agree his actions were a bit brash, and I wanted to bonk his head a bit, I do believe it wasnât poorly written. Though, for one we never really knew of his hardships with Centaur aforehand. It would make sense if it were quillboar, but this Centaur stuff is new lore which was a bit jarring for even me.
Nevertheless, I give it a 7/10, points off for bugs, the Invisibility Potion dropping off if your pets or demons are out (and for a demo warlock, imps spawn about me every few seconds!), and the overall smaller feeling of the questline. Like it shouldâve been part of the leveling experience itself, which would help to have fleshed out this overwhelming beef Baine has (HAH).
This is very true, but Baine also has someone he greatly respects, who literally rescued him from HELL itself saying these centaur are different from the ones he knows. I think there would be a little leeway given to figure out whatâs going on here which is different from home.
Given the above, I feel his reaction was a tad too intense⌠but not as far out of character as theyâve been taking other characters lately. So maybe because itâs less extremely out of character, it seems less bad to me?
Which is why I like his character and am often annoyed by the others.
This would have been a much better way to address the situation than to have Baine himself reacting the way he did.
Thatâs the big reason Iâm okay with the quest and why I only say he was taken âa tadâ out of character.
I just felt like I was going on another tour of the side quests.
also im just glad Blizz acknowledged PTSD with Baine. SO MANY characters just shrug off severely traumatic things in the game and it bugs the crap out of me.
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Afrasiabi was always just a scapegoat. Even if he was responsible for Teldrassil, Shadowlands and Dragonflight were both made after his departure, yet Blizzard continued dumping on the Night Elves at every opportunity.
Either the writers responsible for BFA are still in charge now, or they agreed with him.
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I feel like its both tbh, but they saw the reception to the lore being garbage and went: âS**t, quick shift the blame to afrosalamiâ, thinking people would be stupid to fall for it ( wich funnily enough, a lot of content creators did).
But now there is no scapegoat this time, and we can all mock danuserâs idiotic story without him being able to hide behind someone else.
BFA wouldâve been a great chance for that if they didnât just focus on sylvanas, saurfang ect.
Not saying he was cool with it.
I am saying seeing his fellow Tauren killed in mass by Sylvanas didnât make him âopen his eyesâ.
Hearing that some Alliance people might die did. That is the disconnect.
I want Baine to stand up for Horde reasons. Not Alliance ones.
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No war crimes were committed and if they were they were justified and we should do them again
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True. Altho I did enjoy seeing Jaina get love and support finally from her mom. That was well done. ( But its Laura Bailey, she can easily break my heart like it was a tooth pick lol )
Just that child version of her crying saying she did everything wrong. And her mom comforting her. It got me man
You must of missed the part where Baine was taken prisoner by the Centar in Kalimdor and was rescued by Bovan Windtotem the same tauren we are trying to help him rescue .
Baine accompanied his father Cairne as the tauren settled in Mulgore after the Third War. However, a band of centaur led by Khiragg attacked the tauren village and kidnapped Baine, imprisoning him in their encampment. This sent Cairne into a lethargy, and without his leadership, the centaur threatened to decimate the tauren. When Rexxar and his companions came to Mulgore to recruit Cairneâs help against the invading Kul Tirans, Cairne declared that he could be of no help since âhis heart was deadâ. The tauren Tagar asked Rexxar to seek out Bovan Windtotem and his outcasts to search for Baine.
I dont think anyone missed it.
But just commenting on the fact that Baineâs âhonorâ suddenly seemed to dip out as he put all centaur in the same group. Baine has had no issue with working with other former enemy races.
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Ok and did any of those other races actually kidnap him ?
Or actually tried to genocide his race like the Centar in Kalimdor ?
With the centar they are trying to show PTSD with Baine .
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Traumaâll do that to ya
They were actively at war with a variety of others. You knowâŚthe entire Alliance? Ones that removed an entire Tauren settlement and ensured the children and non military civilians died or were captured by other enemies?
We get what they were trying to show. But as alwaysâŚBaine is written completely horribly.
Baine basically expelled other Taurens from Thunderbluff who were unable to âget overâ their own trauma of what happened to them.
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So he is like most people in this world .
Do as I say not as I do .