Also pro tip, if you don’t turn in the quest in nokhud hold area you can keep him there as a perpetual tank for soloing large packs and rare mobs.
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I have a lot of family who participated in some nasty wars (Vietnam, Iraq, etc), and a common theme is that they come home with a lot of prejudice. It’s hard not to when you’re at war with a certain ethnicity of people and have to watch them try to kill you and the people around you.
IRL to video game parallel, it’s possible Baine has this same type of prejudice. The DF centaurs have no idea who Baine is and what the Kalimdor centaurs did to him or his people, but Baine has a lot of baggage when it comes to dealing w/ centaurs and it shows.
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One interesting thing to note is the apparent political parody that you see in the Human Heritage Armor quest, lol.
The defias brotherhood are tricked (or, brainwashed) into doing evil thinking they’re doing good, kinda like a few other certain groups within the last couple years IRL, lol.
Yeah, it didn;t make a lot of sense to me either. His recognizing there are good and bad Taurens (grimtotems) should make him able to see there are good and bad centaurs. It’s a very weird story arc.
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I think your reaction is extreme. It’s a game.
Here’s a clue: SAYING something and putting it into practice is two entirely different things.
Just like how 'nam vets would come home and go “yeah, sure, we should be fair to everybody!” and then they see eastern people in the store and they scowl because seeing such people brings back terrible memories in the moment.
It’s easy to SAY one thing.
It’s an entirely different thing to actually DO it in the moment.
This should have been written in, though, for context.
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Nah. You don’t have to explain absolutely everything, just because a few people didn’t pay attention during early level questing.
The lore and backstory is there. It’s not Blizz’s fault if you either missed it or failed to remember it or failed to put 2 and 2 together.
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It was though. I get that it’s not reasonable to assume that everyone doing the quest played a bonus campaign mission from an RTS expansion from 15 years ago, but the quest does have Baine talk about how he was kidnapped by centaurs as a child and how Bovan Windtotem rescued him back then before going on to talk about what that all meant to him. I don’t think this quest skimped on the necessary exposition.
If you mean that there was no point where Baine looked at the camera and said, “this time it’s personal…” well that mainly comes down to showing and not telling. The game doesn’t really need to spell out why Baine is angry and upset in this quest and his tone and actions make it sort of clear what his emotional response to finding Bovan dead is.
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No, he saved the Alliance.
His little stunt with Derek almost cost the Horde Thunder Bluff.
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Just like there are bad and worse undead. He should see the diffrence.
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The nature of the fight matters a lot, too. My Dad was a sailor on an escort carrier in the Pacific, had to bail out of a damaged torpedo bomber, and for all that didn’t come home with a whole lot of rage about the Japanese. The guys who fought on land? Different story. At sea and in the air it felt like a fair, straight-up fight. On land it was something a whole lot more primal.
Your post made me think of this for some reason
Blizzard had to get their SJW quota in this expac.
They needed the racism checkbox checked, and they did it.
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In their defense it is mandated by the state of California.
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They could have added some character to Baine but at the end we are back to the status quo.
We could have gotten some information at what happened when he was kidnapped as a child.
I highly doubt that the centaur were very nice to the son of Cairne.
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I mean…if that were universally true, we wouldn’t have racists IRL, ever.
Sometimes people let their individual experiences and what they hear color their views for certain groups but not others.
He should be able to see it, but it takes him a while to get there, because of his experiences and biases. That’s…the story. That’s the story happening, there.
His character has, for a very long time now, been defined by his lack of prejudice against individuals based on their race or faction affiliation. So it does seem weird to give him such an overt blind spot at this point. It is tough because people have complained so loudly that Baine is too accommodating and sympathetic so the desire to show him being fierce and passionate is understandable, its just weird that after all we’ve been shown about him that NOW he had a flare up of overt racism.
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Honestly, it’s probably the first time that centaurs specifically have played any kind of significant part in the game’s story that wasn’t stomping on them repeatedly for being awful. When would it have come up before?
I’d object to it if it was just some weird random one-off like, SUDDENLY BAINE HATES CATS. He wants every cat thrown out of Thunder Bluff. Why? Because REASONS.
His blind prejudice against centaurs is understandable from his actual history that we saw in WC3. It’s a bit of a way-back reference, but I can see why it wouldn’t have come up really in the meantime.
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New quest was great, I got to make glue alongside Baine Bloodhoof.
T’was a swell time full of merriment.
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