DPS for sure. Accidentally pulling, attacking mobs they shouldn’t, standing in the bad, plenty of things they do to cause them to either die or the healer to OOM. Make no mistake I’ve seen bad tanks cause wipes and every time it’s just baffling. The only time I’ve seen the healer cause a wipe is if they DC suddenly.
That doesn’t make sense at all.
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It never fails that in the Stockades the Tank over pulls and dies to the middle boss. I see it every time I go to the that dungeon. It will never not be funny.
Wipes
In raid, we have the hunter that prepulls when marking boss, half people are outside, wipe.
Then on boss we have healers that think its more important to finish that cast vs getting out of the frontal/cone/breath
In M+ its tanks overpulling, or not rounding up packs for proper AoE 1stly, 2nd those with the ability not soothing raged, causes tank to die, cause wipe.
Only time its dps, almost always ranged, is a butt pull extra pack.
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Final Boss’s big cleave that he does kills the add if you kite it in his frontal AOE cone.
Too many bosses to give an overall answer. I could go on a list to say where tanks, DPS, or healers would likely be the major cause of a wipe but that will take too long.
Instead, will keep it simple. Player error is the #1 cause of wipe, followed by insufficient gear or overturned mechanics at #2. Lag or network disconnects would be #3, not to be confused with player error even if most player error is blamed on lag. #4 would be game errors or bugs, falling through the floor, certain mechanics not resolving as they were intended to, etc.
ok before you start screaming of learn mechanics maybe learn the mechanics yourself? The add will always spawn on the right side of the boss when you’re facing him. You want everyone to be loosely stack around the right side. You want the add to run into the pillar so it gets stunned and dps down as quick as possible. I would delete your rant. Kinda embarrassing when you yourself is clueless about the mechanics 
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As someone that has tanked their way through every one of the fights I’ve mentioned, I think it’s safe to say that I’ve learned those same fights through significant amount trial, error and correction. When you stand in stupid crap during a boss fight, you wipe. When you ignore totems during a boss fight, you wipe. When you don’t kite adds to the right place, you wipe. When you ignore AOEs and adds, guess what? That’s right, you wipe.
The point I was making is that when you don’t pay attention to fight mechanics, you wipe. Practice by running spam heroics in dungeon finder or whatever. Do something to learn the mechanics of any M+ dungeon. Stop trying to put blame on tanks, heals or dps specifically for dungeon wipes, pick yourself up and go again, or you can leave the dungeon and the keyholder will probably find someone else for the job.
Wipes also tend to happen because I’ve seen a phenomenon where a player will bring his main and an alt that they’re botting/playing on a secondary desktop setup, whom that same player is trying to gear up, into a pug group at the same time. This causes a lot of wipes due to low dps, bad heals and/or just plain lackadaisical player doing the bare minimum and hoping a everyone else will carry them through it all. When a healer or tank does more damage than two other toons in the same dungeon, that’s not right. I personally tend to find it very questionable when a 430 iLvl shadow priest does 23K dps for the entire dungeon compared to my 423 Prot Warrior’s 28K (normal for most tanks in M+ dungeons that I’ve been in) in a single boss fight, and even more questionable when two of the dps and the tank out heal the the actual healer who came into the group with some low grade dps. The ones who are actually trying to beat the dungeon tend to have a big problem with that. I would also assume that these are probably people that sell a power levelling or gearing service for real world money, so it’s worth reporting those toons for ToS violations, hard to prove but needs to be investigated and curtailed nonetheless.
I bring this particular one up because I’ve been in many a M+ or raid run that was ruined by player toons that were, in all likelihood, being run by a paid levelling or gearing service. I know because they’re always the first to book it from a raid run after looting any boss and the first to flee from a M+ run like cowards after a single wipe 2 bosses in and they always run off two at a time.
And to respond to the second to last sentence of your reply; If you’re so capable of deleting my ‘rant’ then why don’t you use those magical moderator powers of yours to do something good instead of trolling someone in order to place yourself on a self-important pedestal? Find the botters, paid service scammers and gold sellers, then ban them instead of griping about how I don’t know boss fight mechanics that I’ve spent a long time trying to find a way to get around for a win.
well sounds like you’re still making an error. Giving advice is good but make sure you actually learn to give the right advice.
Yes and as your rant go you’re obviously messing up said mechanics. While probably telling people in your party that they’re screwing up the mechanics
Do I look like a mod to you? I’m just a player just like you. Only difference is atleast I know what I’m talking about while you go in the defensive soon as you’ve been called out for being wrong. And start spewing stupid things like selling runs and what not where our conversation was a mechanic in NL which clearly you’ve screwed up again and again and blame some1 else for your stupidity
if dps stuff up and die then they get to camp on the floor for a bit
if the healer or tank stuffs up and dies then everyone else gets to follow them
maybe your memory is a bit selective though, or you’re a healer on your main and you just want to blame everyone else.
depends on the level of the fight and what the fight is. There are alof of encounter that healers aren’t needed. I had run where healer dced and we all just continued pulling and finish the run w/o a healer.
Look, speaking as a player that left and came back to WoW after skipping over a decade worth of expansions, I tend to learn most of these fights by just jumping right into the deep end and hoping I can swim. If I get it right I can go home with a smile on my face and a new piece of gear. If I get it wrong, I’m gonna try over and over again until I either drown in other players fleeing the dungeon over wipes or I get it right. I don’t watch hours and hours of videos on how to beat a certain boss fight, I spend all of ten minutes reading up on the fight mechanics, then jump into the fray and learn by rote from there. We used to do that back in the early days before WoWHead and Icyveins truly entered into the community conscious. Be mindful of your surroundings maybe, there’s a lot to be said about situational awareness when learning mechanics of a boss fight. I can safely say that I’ve never wiped when wwe get people that know the fights and are dedicating their attention to said fight and everything that it entails.
This whole thread started as a “blame somebody” thread when the reality is that the one to blame is simply yourself, because blaming everyone else only succeeds in you attempting to shirk your own role in the failure. If I screw up, then the failure is mine. Stop playing the blame game and just play the frickin’ game.
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Stairs. Corners/pillars. Slight inclines (pseudo-stairs) that make my LoS for heals fail whenever anyone runs out of range/out of sight. These are the real enemies that cause the most wipes in my experience.
Also, platforms you get thrown off of. I’m talking about you Azure Vault, Academy, Theater of Pain and De Other Side. Flinging tanks or heals off into the abyss is not cool.
On high keys?
90% healers.
Everyone knows their class and mechanics at this level. its nearly always healers failing heal checks, im not even kidding.
The difference of having a decent healer and a GOOD healer is huge in higher keys.
DPS, mostly because there’s more of them in each group than tank or healers
but also because sometimes they think they’re tanks.
And I commend you for that. But 2 wrong don’t make it right. You assumed on how the mechanics work and start flaming people for what you think is the right way to deal w/ it. Instead of taking it to the chin and admit you made a mistake you start acting like a brat. So I’m treating you like 1.
While all DPS not using DEF CDs because a def CDs is a GCD that doesn’t makes damage, and you already pump HPS like crazy.
Same for this
Every time I check details on a dead DPS it’s either no Def CD used or no Health potion, or standing in stuff. Or like 10 Stacks bursting without a priest
I know I’ve caused wipes on the pirate dragon from last expansion. I would either move before the breath is set and miss ads or to late and get hit with the breath myself.
Its not common to see bosses like this in dungeons but they do exist. I always seem to find one in each raid that I just can’t get the timing down on.
Moo!
That one person in UR last boss that doesnt stack with the tank.
That one person in NL who will for whatever reason not bait the Mammoth’s charge to a close wall.
That one person in Freehold who stands in the shark.
That one person in Halls of Infusion that drops his pool on top of the boss.
That one person in NL that gets fixated by the add and never seems to make it to the crystal.
That one person in Neltharus that dies to the fire pools with chains up.
That one person in Uldaman who puts their orb on the wall.
That one person in VP who cannot figure out the jump timing.
That one person in BH who’s aggro radius is much larger than everyone else’s and that’s why they accidentally pulled 3 extra packs.
Basically this.
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