“you have to be arrested to be guilty of something” lmao who’s gona tell him
You good sir I like. You fully understand the concept of people having a difference of opinion and still ne anle to interact and communicate in a civil manner.
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Yes and no. The issue is trying to lump people into a category of 1 side or the other, those who are against harrassment and boycott or those who support and stay when in reality its much more diverse. Me harrassment is wrong and I have no doubt many of these allegations are infact true, will I boycott blizz? No. The same way I think child labor and sweat shops are wrong but I still buy dc/etnie shoes as they comfy and good quality
I think that it’s just an excuse for the lack of willpower. Why Blizzard would change anything if people will continue paying?
Ma’am*
But thank you. Yea I think in this case there are several different opinions and positions that make perfect sense and are morally sound.
Some people have never been on the receiving end of it so they don’t care. Some can’t look past their addiction for the game to have something like this bother them. For some players WoW is life and even with proof they will mumble and bumble……but, but, but
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Ummm… Are you trying to be hyperbolic? Nobody is protecting abuse and discrimination. I get why some people might want to unsub but I will not. I would rather let the justice system punish those directly involved. While unsubbing might hurt the company, it will definitely hurt the thousands of employees who may or may not already be struggling and had nothing to do with this disgusting case. As I said, I kind of get why some would unsubb but I have no desire to punish the company or the employees. But I would love hearing that Afrasiabi ends up in prison with a 400 pound roommate named Bubba who loves fresh meat.
This has nothing to do with WoW. Did people elect Trump because they are addicted to WoW too?
What the hell does Trump have anything to do with this or me? Get out with your lame argument.
Nike makes shoes in sweat shops with child labor and slave wages…People still buy Nike and support that company. I see no global moral outrage for that.
So one evil cancels out another? It’s all good if we can find another evil somewhere else as we only have to deal with the greatest evil out there? Everyone else is cool?
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I am pointing out how ironic it is that people are outraged at accusations when there is PROVEN evil in this world that no one seems to care about.
I just wana play the darn game. I hope everyone goes to jail and they let someone else run the game tbh
It is not “ironic” because people focus on a different evil than you.
As a civil lawsuit there is no issue of innocence or guilt, rather there is finding for the plaintiff or the defense. Given the number of current and former employees who are speaking up, I think it is more likely that we are looking into how bad things were/are rather than whether they happened.
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Someone’s life should not be destroyed because of an accusation. That applies outside of the courtroom, too. If I accuse you of assaulting me and you lose your job, get blacklisted from working anywhere ever again, and lose friends and family over the matter, that’s not really an acceptable outcome. It’s absolutely happened where people have been falsely accused, had their life destroyed, and still live with the consequences of that accusation because of how information works in the modern day.
Blizzard is scum. Their track record points to them being scum. It is very likely that every accusation is true. I believe in the same standard being applied evenly, though, so I’m not personally going to take any kind of personal action until there’s something concrete. I totally understand if the information available has you wanting to take some kind of action, but ‘innocent until proven guilty’ is not an attitude restricted to a courtroom, and it’s not disingenuous to have.
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And what do you propose we do to stop people from having their life “destroyed” by accusations that they committed a heinous crime?
Do you have an actual solution that prevents that from happening or are you bringing it up to fearmonger, stifle, and bias discussion?
Not only is innocent until proven guilty only a thing in a courtroom, actually, it’s not even a thing in the courtroom in which this particular trial will be taking place. The standard of guilty beyond a reasonable doubt only applies to criminal trials, and this lawsuit is a civil trial. Meaning that Blizzard will be found guilty on the standard of “We think it’s more likely they did this than we do they didn’t.”
Given the standards the trial will be using, and the fact that this lawsuit is being made by the state itself following an official state investigation into Blizzard, I am strongly inclined to believe that they do not stand a chance.
And when you go around claiming that you’re going to assume Blizzard is innocent until a conviction is given, that’s just being biased and proud of it.
Not sure! I’m not smart enough for a real solution. My personal approach is that I’m waiting to take action until I see what happens. I’d like it if things weren’t publicized, but I also want them to be public, so I’m very conflicted. I can’t say what’s ‘right’ there.
Not sure where you get any of that! I think it should be discussed. Harassment is a real problem, even if Blizzard isn’t ultimately guilty of it (they are).
I am not going to take action based on these perceptions. I think it’s perfectly reasonable if other people do, because of Blizzard’s record.
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I feel like I should clarify my position a little better. My only issue is that I think your blanket statement of “Innocent until proven guilty only belongs in a courtroom” is dangerous and destructive. I think in this specific scenario there is certainly enough historical information about Blizzard’s character that a fair judgement about the company can probably be made.
Alright, and I’d like to clarify that I wasn’t saying the concept of innocence when in doubt should be limited to a court room. I was just saying that speculation shouldn’t be held to the high standard of guilty beyond a reasonable doubt like a criminal trial is.
–Also I don’t know that we can TAKE any action? I mean other than unsubbing. But since boycotts categorically don’t work, I’m not going to tell anyone what to do there.
Pray nobody ever accuses you of doing something illegal without proof, and the mob doesnt come to string you up.
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Should I also pray I don’t get hit by lightning? I don’t live my life in fear of things that are incredibly unlikely. There’s far more reasonable things for me to be afraid of. Like being sexually harassed by my peers if I ever get into the business. So uh–spare me the fearmongering.