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farm raid and progression raiding are the exact opposite of eachother.
You thought you did but you didn’t.
Wrath was the best the game ever got. Bc is feces. Wrath and vanilla were the two best designed games they did.
If this was the case, there wouldn’t have been a plethora of private servers dedicated to vanilla wow. I quit in wrath and then came back briefly for legion, and got bored…very quickly. Vanilla/TBC was definitely the height of WoW
All the people leaving are the retail plebs. They wont be missed.
I could go with RBGs as long as blizzard doesn’t start the homogenization part of classes. On retail entire classes are not viable in RBGs. It’s stupid.
Some pvp changes were good (10s max CC for ex) many were not.
I mean I’ve been 2k+ every season from S1-12. And been at 2k in RBGs for three seasons.
I dislike FOTM rerolling and not being able to focus on one character because one week it is fine, then the next blizzard does a flat 25% damage reduction. Or, on a healer just being entirely missed from the rated meta which happens often.
There is nothing skilled about everyone rerolling every time there’s a change in bis comp.
oh, so your problem is against perfect balance. having 15 different comp in the top 20% PvP’er isn’t good enough, you’d need ot have every spec equally represented… got it.
that’s definately better in classic… with boomkin being the powerhouse and AFKBot capped at low-rank… oh wait, no.
my stance and reason for loving classic hasnt changed at all.
yes, it has some problems but my main reasons for playing classic:
raiding is fun (altho easy right now) honestly i only really want the raid gear for pvp.
pvp could be better, but its better than nothing.
world pvp is still very much alive (go to any popular farming area)
Im kinda upset about AV being so messed up, but theres still pvp to be had
WG is ok if you have a good group
my main reason for playing classic is because the feel and combat system is much better than retail, but also because your gear / characters doesnt go out of date constantly.
for me, MC still has a good amount of life left. even when black wing lair comes out there will still be some nice items in MC.
just the questing i could level probably 2 alts (casually) to experience all the quests i missed rushing to 60 on my main.
professions, farming for rare drops.
I cant see how anyone whos playing a healthy amount (not 24/7) would have burned thru all content yet.
i can see myself playing classic for a long time. when i quit wow it was because i was best in slot, an expansion came out, then was a noob again. that wont happen in classic.
ive played other mmos, but most are way too pay to win now. wow classic is not. so thats also a huge plus. (retail is not an option for me, after 10 years its turned into something that wouldnt be enjoyable to me)
But farming is essential to later progress, so its really not. Nobody is gunna be clearing Naxx in dungeon blues, I hope. Gearing up other members of your raid is pretty important, if you’re not willing to stick around and help out guildies why should they help you?
That isn’t what I said at all.
cause there’s no progression raiding in classic… it’s too easy. it’s all farming and farming and farming.
it’s what your paradigm lead to.
It’s how you chose to interpret it, you mean.
I still love Classic, but I do want to see them tune it better than it is currently. There are many classic solutions to the very “retail” like AV experience.
the AV meta has taken the “classic” feel out of classic. We didn’t ask for classic to be in long queues to play with randoms. Aside from AV though I am still having a great time and the light at the end of the “never going into AV ever again” tunnel is approaching, albeit slower than I want.
Big Amen to this. Classic could have been made at least as well as private servers managed to do.
Most people didn’t want this version of AV. Mainly because anyone with a brain could see how this would shake out.
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But what’s worse? Facerolling MC in less than 2 hours or spending 2 months “progressing” on Misstress Sazz in mythic ToS getting oh so close so many times to have 1 guy trash the attempt.
When we finally downed the boss I literally cancelled my sub and haven’t played retail since.
It wasn’t fun.
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See, I’m the opposite, because I enjoy the relaxed pace of leveling, and alts are my bread and butter. It will take me many more months to max professions, to see what recipes I can collect, to max at least one of every class to 60. The friends I level with, we dungeon together and maybe in time we’ll add enough other people to raid, but raiding is an extra thing - not the goal, not the sole reason to play.
I still enjoy WOW Classic. It was never a ‘hype train’ for me. It was a simple knowledge that I loved leveling in Azeroth all the way up until Cataclysm blew up the world. I end-game raided in TBC and early Wrath (quit mid-Ulduar when it was a job instead of fun), and those of our 25-man group who didn’t log out after raiding in TBC went back and did vanilla raids. So I didn’t come at this with goals of progression raiding in a retread game. (And I don’t PvP except as opt-in fun in the world.)
I don’t even have a level 60 yet (my top 3 are 44, 44, and 46), but my lowest two are level 12 and my average level across all 15 characters on five realms is 24.
I never once did Arena, and Arenas were pretty much what drove my son and his friends away from WOW. They moved to MOBAs which they found much more fun than pillar humping and chasing FotM classes.
However, that does bring up an odd question. The vanilla ranking system is perpetual, where modern Arena has seasons. Would TBC Classic use the same season begin/end? (I’m stopping there, because I have zippo idea how all that works in Retail.)
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definately mythic raiding. no argument here.
killing M KJ ( or wathever your boss was) truly felt like an achievement.
clearing MC just feel like a chore… a boring, slow-paced one to the point raiders get antsy when we take more than an hour to clear it.
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