Those guys were jerks, and he’s still cool.
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I liked Anduin for a brief moment at the beggining of BFA and now I feel embarrassed about it.
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Yeah, I used to play both factions, until I found out about Teldrassil. Then I unlocked void elves and immediately transferred my blood elves over to my Alliance server and made them void elves.
Yeah, I mean… excuse her for having her whole city bombed back to the stone age, completely unprovoked. And who’s he to talk anyway, given that he’s the one who killed her father?! I really hope Jaina avenges Daelin some day.
Anyway, mine is Liadrin.
For many expansions, she was one of the heroes devoted to protecting all of Azeroth - and even risked her life to keep the Ebon Blade from claiming the body of Tirion. Then, after that whole Suramar thing, she suddenly decided that the Horde were the only people worth fighting for, and I’ve yet to hear a shred of remorse from her about what happened to Teldrassil. Some paladin!
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You know, I can’t really think of any. Most of the ones I disliked I never really was engrossed in.
Sylvanas is closest, I guess! I admit she was just the Warcraft Kerrigan knock off to me when I first saw her in the RTS. By the time we got to WotLK it seemed justified to me that she of course was going to be a big part of bringing down Arthas- and she got sidelined while her arc got finished for her.
I have friends who really enjoy her character, and kept the faith WELL in to BfA, so out of respect for them I did my best to keep an open mind on the character. But really, I divide her in to two characters.
Pre Edge of Night, and Post Edge of Night. Pre Edge, she was a character that did horrible things, but was in a terrible situation. She also had an Ahab-like focus on bringing down the most dangerous person on the planet, with little more than the ruins he left in his wake.
And then Arthas died, and we had a playable race built around a character who was completely wrapped up in a revenge story that ended.
So naturally, she has to be edgier, more killy, lead an offensive war into Gilneas at the behest of an Orc supremacist, and generally make it harder and harder for her apologists to stand on firm ground. (yes, I get the argument that Garrosh would come for her if she hadn’t, and wanted the Forsaken to expend themselves against Gilneas, and it made more sense at the time but… man, that didn’t age well.)
Then she was ignored, except for a bit of edge and smarm here and there. Then she blew up a tree for funsies and here we are.
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I think dividing out the factions from WC 3 into only 2 sides was one of the worst design decisions Blizz has ever made with the Warcraft universe.
I never disliked Sylvanus, more like just indifferent, but the writing has made me really dislike her. Problem is the dislike is from just silly and absurd character development.
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Before I had a Extreme hatred of the Characters I’m going to be mentioning such as Tyrande, Sylvanas, and few others. I did liked Tyrande back in Warcraft 3. Since I thought she was a cool elven character who was doing what was best for the Night Elf Lands even through it was questionable there were some reasons why Tyrande and the Night Elves attacked the Orcs and Humans mainly due to going into their lands and cutting down trees. But after hearing them out when Medivh gather all 3 nations together as one against the burning legion Tyrande’s misjudgement had stopped and even helped both the Thrall’s Horde and the Remaining Survivors of Lordaeron. When WoW Came out She some things that was kind of little but wasn’t really ruining her character. Yes in Mists She was kind of rushly and would have gone into another one of garrosh’s traps but thanks to listening to One of Leaders of Alliance or also known as the one of Kings of the Humans and after attacking the Horde in the Jungle in Pandaria and after saving the Temple of the Red Crane. Varian and Tyrande managed to work together and actually beat the Horde’s Games.
But when Legion came She went from being Ok to being cringe such as the Val’sharah story of her screaming Malfurian while if you were horde. She continues to insult you for being Horde because of past reasons still used against you and as a horde player you have to be forced to help out in the zone. Then when Illidan saved the World She didn’t even care about him like as if he was still evil. Which was a stupid ending to Legion and just unreal. Plus also doesn’t help the fact that during Legion she didn’t care about her birthplace suramar and only was there to attack the legion and nothing else. Again making her even uncaring and unlikeable.
Then in BFA She got completely worst. I know this argument has been done to death and People will continue say it over and over again but just because that you lost a home and half of your people have been killed doesn’t mean you have to be entitled, rude, and putting stress on a leader who just lost his father and was doing his very best to atleast win the war. Plus the Night Warrior Lore was completely pointless since the Battle over Kalimdor was in a very small shore that isn’t Ashenvale where they only killed Horde Soldiers and a Val’kyr. Plus they barely even captured and rebuilded anything other than the Highborne Ruins. Plus I also hated the Fourth War Ending where she continues to be a selfish jerk.
I take Maiev, Illidan, Broll, Jared, Prince Farondis, and etc Night Elf Character over Tyrande.
Then there’s Sylvanas. Like Tyrande. I used to like her during Warcraft 3 and I even support her after what Arthas did to her. While in WoW She did some Questionable things back in Vanilla and through Wrath but it was fact that she needed to survive and protect the forsaken people until Arthas is dead. Now that Arthas is dead. She pretty much went from being cool and awesome to being questionable with some good reasons to take lands and some reasons that is questionable in Cata and Mists. But it was there in Legion She become very dull and forced which She turned into the Warchief and then in BFA she has become completely insane and unlikeable which She murders innocents for no reasons, kills nearly half of the horde, and also the fact She really didn’t care about the Forsaken after she left Orgrimmar.
As much as others dislike the Scourge atleast some of its characters was likeable for reasons that they ether are good characters for being evil or just loveable in their own right. Compared with Nathanos. She is starting to get very dull now and is also unlikeable.
As for the other characters like Nathanos. I mean his backstory is interesting but in Legion He’s just a completely unlikeable jerkward even through BFA. If you aren’t forsaken like a orc champion he just treats you like nothing.
Then there’s Liabrin. She used to be interesting until when BFA happened and she had became a hypocrite of attacking former Silver Hand Paladins and also attacking Innocent Civilians during the War Campaign Invasion in Kul’tiras.
Finally there’s Odyn. At first I thought He was doing the right thing to create a Titan Army against the Old Gods and Legion to have order in Azeroth but after what he did to Helya. I’m surprised he hasn’t gone to the Loken path where He starts senting his Army to Attack the People of Azeroth.
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Nathanos. Really cool in classic. Great to see alive in Cata. Absolutely horrid since Legion.
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Avenges the death she supported at the time?
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While I agree with the overall sentiment that many characters have become unlikeable in the aftermath of BfA I give a special mention to Anduin.
I actually loved his portrayal in Legion. A young man who suddenly had to step into the giant shoes of his father (quite literally also). And the cinematic on the Broken Shore with Velen and Genn remains one my favorite cinematics in all of Warcraft. Anduin picking up a part of Varians sword, and a flashback to the Valley of Heroes with Varian smiling at him.
“What am I supposed to do now?”
“What a king must do.”
Queue the epic Stormwind/Anduin theme.
Everything was there for a potentially great character arc. Anduin going from a doubtful man who tries to live up to the legacy of his father, to someone with his own agenda and ideals. Someone who struggles with these ideals as war sweeps over Azeroth. Someone who has to make hard decisions, when faced with a difficult situation. Hell, the BfA-cinematic (the Battle of Lordaeron one) still had shades of this idea.
But, then “Before the Storm” and BfA released. Anduin instantly became Mr. Perfect, he doesn’t have to make any hard decisions, because all of his decisions are always the correct and right one.
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It’s not that I hate the character. I’ll always love the character. I blame Blizzard though, not Saurfang. What they did with him through BfA was a bloody travesty and the writers in charge of that should hang their heads in shame. Here was a guy who stood on the front line during the War of Shifting sands, was able to cow Garrosh more easily than Thrall could, and wiped entire Alliance pvp raids who were dumb enough to try through the front entrance of Org back in vanilla.
Now instead of challenging Sylvanas to Mak’gora the second she gave the order to burn down the tree, he becomes sad and suicidal afterwards and needs Anduin to spur him into action. It’s a small comfort that he at least went out like a boss but it still was a sacrifice for the benefit of making Sylvanas look scary and badass.
One of the Horde’s best characters squandered in the most embarrassing way possible.
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Thrall.
He is nothing but a hollow shell of his former self and a walking liability.
Better to cut him loose than keep him around.
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Sylvanas has been my biggest change in opinion I think. She was like, top 5 fictional characters ever for me from WC3-Wrath. Sometimes I still ‘like’ her, but I’m pretty sure that’s just lingering fondness on my part. My general feelings towards her these days can probably be summed up as indifference though I tend to hate who she’s up against more so I default to her side more often than not.
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Hard to say there was one I outright hated. Saurfang just came off as weird. On paper his arc was fine I just don’t get why he needed Anduin’s pep talks to slip out of depression. I mean he was getting up there age wise, maybe those Power Word: Stamina buffs were the only thing keeping him from dozing off.
Windrunner has been going downhill since Edge of Night but in Legion there were some hints maybe she was course correcting. She saves Varian’s life in the cinematic and outside trying to use a Masterball on the Legendary Winged Swedish Chick doesn’t do much that’s all that evil. And I maintain if that was Mekkatorque trying to capture some Wild God to fix Gnome fertility rates devastated by the radiation in Mechagon or whatever it’d’ve been seen as more reasonable by more people.
But BtS pretty much torpedoed any hope I had for a more nuanced Windrunner. Not sure why they had to keep showing me she was evil. Spree killing your own civilains because one old one wanted to go live with his kid elsewhere isn’t really something you can ‘Well from a certain perspective’ about.
Other than that there were just some strange arcs.
Talanji has top billing through about half of BFA but vanishes after becoming Queen and getting a blood feud started with Proudmoore. Seriously her story just abruptly ends the second it should’ve started ramping up to a climax.
And who could forget Mayla Highmountain who could’ve been replaced with a lamp for every scene she’s in and had the exact same effect on the story.
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Mayla seems to be where Baine was pre-BfA. Kind of under-used and forgotten. Judging by how they handled Baine in-game though, perhaps she’s better off. It seems to be the general Blizzard attitude when it comes to tauren characters. Mostly completely ignored and underutilized when they do become relevant.
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Supported?! She didn’t want Rexxar to kill him, she wanted Rexxar to reason with him, and she hoped Daelin would listen to him; which he didn’t! Even Katherine realized this, when she saw the vision.
“You couldn’t save him from himself.”
Not so much “hate” them now, but frustrated at Blizzard for how much they crap on them -
The Dragonflights - specifcally Alexstrasza and Nozdormu. Seems to me that pre-Cataclysm they made these awesome dragons (who doesn’t love dragons?!) and then set them up for failure expansion after expansion. Like, first they’re forced to sacrifice their Titan-given powers, then they’re literally neutered as a species, and now they’re basically on the verge of extinction.
I hope we someday get that teased “Dragon Isles” patch or whatever and it’s just Wrathion comin’ all like - “All the dragons are cured! See? The Black Dragons are the good guys again!”
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Well she didn’t outright want Daelin’s death, but she did understand it needed to happen, and gave agreement to Thrall:
Thrall : We’ve bled together on many battlefields, Jaina. We’ve faced untold perils as allies. But your father threatens the security of our nation and the very future of my people. You know how this has to end.
Jaina Proudmoore : I know, Thrall. Do what you must. There is a goblin shipyard on a nearby island that could provide you with warships of your own. With those, you could scatter the blockade surrounding Theramore.
Jaina Proudmoore : But please, spare my men if you can. My father will try to use them against you, but they’re the only real family I’ll have left when this is over. Please do this… for me.
Not that she was wrong in doing so. She never spoke to Rexxar until Daelin’s death though.
Anyway, he isn’t wrong. You can’t avenge something you had a direct or indirect role in. Like the nonsense of Saurfang trying to avenge Teldrassil. She can, however, attempt to correct a mistake, as Saurfang supposedly did.
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What bugged me about Mayla is how she doesn’t even get a line in 8.3. Her godfather is a black dragon. She’s the only character in game who legitimately loves a black dragon and she’s not even around to try to help him out when N’Zoth’s trying to drive him mad.
Seriously that was one of the coolest reveals in Legion. Totally caught me off guard, you just never pictured a black dragon living a quieter rural life as an advisor to a Tauren chieftain.
The black dragons became a major plot point for what’ll probably be the last time for awhile, and she didn’t even get a line of dialogue? C’mon Blizz.
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8.3 was a mess in so many levels it wasn’t even funny. At least Mayla is in good company on what was left out.