I think a bit of difference between meatball spam and lightning spam is that we have to cast LB. LvB was mainly instant cast.
So potentially nerfing FoL would be a huge impact imo. With the 11.0.2 changes I’ve been extremely happy with my build and performance. It feels how I imagine other classes have felt the last few years. Competitive, nice defenses, strong damage, for pvp we really can muck up the battlefield like no other can.
I’m good. Please let me be the rest of the expansion at least lol.
or maybe add ES / EB to FOL , 5s CDR , but first u gotta improve maelstrom generation
for defenses u can just add a line to FOL that says offensive nature spells if they want to nerf the CDR For Astral SBT (and lower SBT to 2min as default)
You still want to spread Flameshock for Pwave but honestly what I’ve been finding is that once you’ve Pwave you can just let them drop off and then only reapply them once you get LMT and Pwave back.
The fix to Searing Flames basically made Lava Surge proc rate a flat 10% since it’s proc chance is divided by the number of Flame Shocks active (its the stupidest thing ever).
Or just buff ES/EB and Lava Burst. You can have the whole spam Lighting Bolt gameplay so long as you are incentivized to spend. Farseer Fire had this and this build can have it…you just need to buff the other spells and nerf Lightning Bolt. But imagine a lot of people would not like this because “ItS A lIgHtNiNg bUiLd”.
I played frost mage back in Wrath. It was literally spam cast frostbolt. Topped meters but in 2024 with more dynamic and fully featured game play this isn’t the defacto standard anymore. People want more interactions and different spells to synergize with.
All classes and specs have builders/fillers and spenders/hard hitter (that’s on a high cd). Spamming can be defined as pressing your builder/filler over and over without using a spender or hard hitter. Fill a bar to spend or spend then wait for bar to fill. hence fillers. By replacing a filler aka lightning bolt, players don’t get that feeling of power when pressing the hard hitter aka tempest. That is what people don’t like about ele tempest. From a enhance perspective lightning bolt is the spender and that is why it replacing lb with tempest for enh works. (I am really really loving stormbringer enh. blizz don’t change it). But for ele it doesn’t feel good.
What is annoying is putting flameshock on mobs and having the flashing visual of lava burst in my face the entire time. It makes more sense to have tempest replace lava burst. filler filler filler hard hitter. filler filler filler hard hitter. classic rotation.
spend you say… on tempest that replaces lava burst.
IDGAF where tempest is as long as you’re not just mindlessly spamming Lighting Bolt. If anything, it should replace Earth Shock/Elemental Blast to follow Enhance’s framework which would make perfect sense and allow for a Fire Stormbringer build if somebody is crazy enough to play. I like building variety. But it makes way more sense to replace Earth Shock, given Tempest would interfere with Pwave setups if it replaced Lava Burst just like how Tempest messes with your Stormkeeper + SoP combo. Stick on the spender and have Tempest give SoP. They still need to buff Lava Burst and Earth Shock/Elemental Blast. Because the moment they nerf FoL (Which they absolutely will), Lighting Builds are dead.
Use your brains people and stop with this “hur dur only lighting” or “hur dur only fire”. Yall didn’t die when you were hitting Frost Shock and Lava Burst with the Season 2 Lighting Build which was slamming in M+ and Keys. You wont die if you have to hit a Lava Burst every now and then. Lay off the crack pipe.
not if tempest inherited lava burst’s mechanics. It would then work really well with pwave. And and ascendence. Again, it suggested that tempted replace lavaburst. So make it a cast time, give it the insta procs, they would have to figure out the crit but baseline dmg can be nerfed to compensate. allow it to do spread dmg like it does now. its nature so it will have interplay with other things. Bobs your uncle. One quick simple change and everyone will be happy.
Reading with comprehension might be difficult. only 1 person said they want all lightning. a majority of people don’t mind the other elements. No one is complaining about having to click earth shock or ele blast. nor complaining about earthen rage, or liquid magma totem, get off your high horse.
That is the great thing about the talent build system. You don’t have to play lightning build, and I don’t have to play a fire build. If they don’t change it to the way I want to play elemental, then I won’t play element. Simple as that. How is that confusing? It is a game. I pay money. I should have a voice in how I want it to play. It’s their game. They have the choice in giving me what I want or not. Basic economics.
I don’t quite understand why suggestions from people are often dismissed. We simply proposing to have a Lightning build that’s a bit more interactive compared to the others, without taking anything away from other strong builds like Fire, Weaver, Lightning Weaver, or Lightning Farseer. I’m just suggesting adding one or two more buttons to the Lightning rotation. However, it seems that whenever we suggest this, we’re told it’s not okay or there are other objections.
I’d like that, but given that Enhance’s version of Pwave does not fire off 5 Tempests and only shoots it at the main target and Lighting Bolts at your other Flame Shock targets, I doubt they would do that for Elemental. At most, it would fire Tempest at the main target and Lava Burst at your Flame Shock targets. Just tie it a spender and be done with it. Makes way more sense since you’d want to MotE Tempest. And Tempest having all of Lava Burst’s interactions would make it the most broken spell in the game. You might as well just play Fire Build with Stormbringer since Fire Builds spend Maelstrom at a higher rate than Lighting Builds, and you would easily get more Tempests within an epoch of time with a Fire Build. And if it’s not inheriting the talent/ability interactions with Lava Burst, what’s the point? It would still be a clunky mess.
Think of it like this: Would you want to MotE Tempest or not?
Good. Have it replace a spender instead of a builder that is used with other abilities.
Then buff Lava Burst and Earth Shock/Elemental Blast. Done. I’m not against suggestions, but you’re not being realistic if you think they are suddenly going decide to rework a whole hero talent ability a week before release. They’re only interested in doing number tunings and bug fixes. There are simple fixes to this problem, and all of you want to build a house instead of remodeling a room. 11.05 or 11.1 sure, but right now its not going to happen.
And? Ele can be different than enh. It is now. With Enhance Ele Blast replaces Lava burst… with Elemental Ele blast is a choice node with earth shock. Tempest already has a spread mechanic, so that could proc or not, but the idea would be tempest shoots all the targets for pwave interaction.
They can do whatever they want. The have God mode access. Willingness. Subjective to the amount of interest/money being thrown at them.
No, it won’t. Its literally an animation, spell name, and spell icon change. With some code modifications… but it’s possible to make it work without being broken. You’d have to tell me how it could be possibly broken? Is it the dmg, the crits, the spread dmg?
That would be a viable option and spec choice. And even more fun if tempest replaced lava burst. Your just agreeing with my points at this point.
If you haven’t played it,
In all seriousness they would need to work it, play test it, change what needs changing.
At the risk of sounding like a jerk, I think you’re projecting. Actual playtime uptake on classes tends to lend itself to less complicated specs… Ret paladin, BM Hunter, Frost Mage, Fury Warrior, etc.
Regardless current Stormbringer Lightning is a fair bit more interactive and complex than classic mage.
I agree with you anecdotally as I don’t have the figures or polls to prove my argument. In my opinion, summation, experience, Casual players (maybe me projecting) tend to want a simple play style that isn’t overly complex. For example, the 26 step opening rotation for arcane mage last season wasn’t something I was willing to learn. I tried but I work 40+ hours a week + wife/kid + other hobbies. So learning it to the level of proficiency was doable but unwanted.
The context was in regard to just spamming one button/move. I know there are more buttons to press like earthshock/ele blast, flameshock, CDs… but I was referring to cool spell interaction and variety of build styles. For example they did a great job on the enhance side. Although people say stormstrike is spammy its not. There are interactions with crash lightning, ascendence, etc. I play a spec that incorps ele blast (although i’ll have to give it up playing stormbringer… maybe tbd), ice strike, sundering. and now doom winds. its super fun.
tl;dr There is a balance between complexity and oversimplification.
I am sure stormbringer lightning will play out just fine (acceptance of it not changing) and I have already talked about why I think tempest should have replaced lava burst for ele (pwave, ascendence interactions). I think it’s a missed opportunity. I’d love to play ascendence and pwave with a lightning build.
and upvote it maybe!