Something I have noticed in the argument around weakauras/addons, from those who are in favor of removing them, is that they keep saying “Blizzard is replacing it with their own stuff.” and “They’re simplifying everything so you won’t need them.”
For context, I am very much pro addons and pro weakauras. They make the game so much more enjoyable for me and they remove a ton of stress. I make mistakes. I can’t help it. So having a system that exists to help me stay on track is important.
This is coming from the same community who marches up and down the street about how “blizzard can’t do anything right. The game is laggy, it’s buggy, balance is bad, and we can’t trust them.”
So why are they suddenly so trustworthy now?
Who is to say that their changes will be satisfactory? Who is to say we want that simplification? Addons, Weakauras, Class Design, it all feels incredibly backwards.
We have so much freedom right now. You can play harder classes, you can play easier ones, you can choose how you want information displayed. you can choose to play the game with no accommodations, assistants, or any tools.
But to get back to the original question, why is there suddenly so much trust that blizzard will do the right thing?
I like to keep an open mind, I’m very optimistic, but I also like to understand things and this just isn’t making sense to me.
they hate addons to the point they will take a false savior.
All in know is…when they switched to to dff ui changes, it was bug filled for weeks… I never saw them.
Elvui user…they naiil down fixes faster and better. never have the issue pro UI team has. like at release…no auto save to save config. week 1 dff UI fun some found. Spend 4 hours to set it up. and it just vanishes…redo it all then google how to back that up. after they found out this was nothing in place by the stellar UI team for this.
Elvui…jsut works, including its backups. Why I trust my UI to them, blizzard does not even get you the dinner or kiss you before they screw you most times.
Because if blizz has such a bad track record thats so awful and terrible then ill spin the question back to you, Why did you even play before these changes were made?
The reality is blizzard does still have more good then bad so its not this crazy thing that players can trust the process, especially something as simple as UI changes in the next few months prior to midnight
Blizz said we wont need the things WA tracked for us and whatever we may need em for blizz is substituting, If you look at alpha midnight videos you can even see they added more to edit mode
Optimism doesn’t mean ignorance. I am optimistic and hopeful that everything will turn out fine, but I also know they have a poor track record with this kind of thing and doubtful that their one size shoe is going to fit all.
I am painting with a broad brush, yes. I can’t paint with a smaller one so many get caught in the crossfire. Apologies.
Because I love the game. I love the freedom, the accessibility, that I can change things to accommodate my needs. What their track record is poor on is ui changes and fixing bugs. The cooldown tracker straight up doesn’t work. I can only get it to show up on one character.
“But they’re fixing it now!”
And they couldn’t fix it any time during TWW?
You can ask any of the many class/spec mains how long certain bugs have persisted. Meanwhile any time elvui has been bugged it got fixed very quickly. Sure, elvui is only one product and not a whole game, but many of these stay in the game for years despite blizzard being told about them.
What about non-combat based weakauras? What about my ui that changes health bar colors so it’s blatant if its dispel-able? What about audio cues and combat timers? And again, why are we trusting them so much?
Blizzard should literally work with the Weakaura team and other Addon’s teams to make their addon an in-game functionality
Weakauras is like a Dev mode to the basic UI and informations Blizzard let us have. It’s allowing us to go so very deep into what we really want our game to look like or do or how we want our information displayed.
It should be a toggle, a button to add that functionality to the base game. YES weakauras are complicated, yes they require knowledge but even without any you can ask other people to help you or download well-made ones that others made. And with basic knowledge you can easily setup any kind of buff tracker with a trigger, special text, special effect-on-trigger ect. And people don’t have to play with it.
I simply know, Weakaura leaving has now put Blizzard into a bigger rush they didn’t see coming, and they have to give us something in return and it’s going to feel rushed, it’s going to be clunky, basic, ugly and limited.
Because most people don’t really use WA. So most people won’t care if WA is removed.
People who are obsessed with addons, who never played with default UI/settings without addons are a minority of playerbase.
It has nothing to do with trust in Blizzard. Most players simply don’t like the current 3rd party influence on the game.
Even Blizzard provides no replacement for combat addons like DBM/WA, they still should be removed. It is better for the game and everyone in long term.
They literally said they were going to do this. Then a couple months later it’s suddenly “we’re burning the barn down”.
Weakauras leaving was also known. They said they talked to Blizzard and it was made clear they couldn’t continue. But Blizzard went through with it anyways.
From my PoV at least I’m keen for WAs being removed out of PvE game design because fights like Jailor, Fractilus etc aren’t all that fun when they’re just listen to what your AI girlfriend tells you to do. At a mythic level they’re annoying.
I will miss the customisation of class huds from WAs, however looking at the CD manager and personal resource bar I should be able to more or less remake my WA hud within the system so I won’t really be losing out on tracking anything that I should need to track for the function of my class.
Over a couple of years, SLOWLY was accentuated. It was little bits here and there. I was expecting a small beginning at midnight, and as someone said now it’s like they slapped us with the destroying of many MANY addons that most of the playerbase uses and told us to deal with it.
That I agree but it’s combat design that was the issue, not the addon. They ultimately removed an addon that was helping with SO MUCH MORE than just that.
Then please go develop a better encounter design for 99% of the bosses thank you
Again if these bugs were so terrible, why did you stay, if the only answer is “well elvui fast updates” im sorry but thats not a real reason lol
I mean i def dont agree with this, it takes at most a few days for any serious bugs to get fixed that i have dealt with. I think the hyperbolic language isnt helpful and ppl can see right past it, You are gonna have to give a real argument as to why we shouldnt trust the process lol blizz(believe it or not) has a great track record. If they didnt then they wouldnt be the largest mmo to exist for 20some years. I think simple UI changes aint the end of the world and youll be fine lol the cognitive load on specs is going down and healing and tankin will be easier, there shouldnt be an issue
To be fair they have been telling us the game was gonna be more approachable, and over the last few years we have seen MAJOR reworks and simplicity brought to alot of specs, the introduction of OBR and now in midnight less button bloat and less reasons to need combat data in addons. Just gotta trust the process and give feedback where they are lacking
We def dont need addons for sound effects on healer cc, special color nameplates for dispelling, sound effects on puddles and other ridiculous things like bold letters going across the screen telling us what to do next. That ruins socialness and personal awareness
Which even with me saying that. Im sure blizz will cave and eventually bring those over to the game in some form lol
That’s not true. Blizzard has an awful track record with their patch/expansion releases, weeks of persisting bugs that may or may not be fixed, the game usually being unplayable for the first 2 weeks of a new expansion or patch is a problem.
This happens every single patch. Test it out.
There is bugs I have reported months ago that aren’t fixed, right now in Delves you still have a lot of trouble when you summon the Nemesis boss to get a Delver’s Bounty map, as the daggers are hidden under environments and one shots, and therefor are impossible to dodge. I’ve reported that 2 months ago, first week I believe, and It’s not fixed yet, and it keeps being bumped every day even now because many many people are affected by it, and that’s just an example of 1 player, check the bug forum really.
They are the largest MMO because it was the best before, most players are still hanging onto it, and while the game itself is fun there is not a single release that is. How come it’s still 8 hours of downtime for a .0.5 patch? Not a single game has that much downtime between patches, most is just download and play, but yeah it’s an MMORPG, still. It’s 8 hours to release, unstoppable lags for the first day or 2, decent lag for the first 2 weeks and filled with bugs for the first month, with more and more being patched every week sure but when your game releases in Beta stage with Beta players saying “man we’ve warned about all this” it sucks.
I agree, but I personally use Weakauras to track my own buffs that I care about in my own way and looking very similar to my base UI. It’s got exactly what I want the way I want it for the buffs I want to track and the classes/spec I care about enough to track those with.
Blizzard will released a version that is incredibly limited, not fun to use and looking like the base, awful-looking UI.