When did wow become primarily about competitive gameplay?

[Fâde-moon-guard]

legion 2016.

[Merpish-area-52]

@Ratherin-crusader-strike

Hey, this is our version of e-sports. Spend each season climbing as high as you can, achieving the highest score you can achieve.

So e-sports are now just a means for self improvement rather than competition? Got it.

Seems healthy to me tbh.

[Ratherin-crusader-strike]

@Merpish-area-52

So e-sports are now just a means for self improvement rather than competition? Got it.

Yeah, except that’s not how M+ works at all.

Cute that you think it does, though lol

[Paeldryth-hyjal (Paeldryth)]

@Merpish-area-52

MMORPGs have, at some level, always been about competition.

The competition started the moment some hunter rolled against my rogue on agi leather in WC.

If a game has other players in it, some level of competition will naturally occur. It doesn’t necessarily mean the game is designed around it though.

[Estalayia-borean-tundra]

Hearted 'cause it made me giggle

[Chibifyre-eonar]

@Ratherin-crusader-strike

Fair, but again: Unless they were a cornerstone of MoP (they weren’t), it kind of falls flat on its face because the point is about when the game primarily become about that mode of content.

They were a massive selling point to the expansion that blizzard hyped up like crazy. I would absolutely argue they were a cornerstone to that which is the entire point of why M+ become popular. The playerbase loved them.

@Ratherin-crusader-strike

I already said PvP isn’t a factor I’m contesting in this matter, so I don’t know why you keep bringing it up lol

I’m bringing up PvP because it’s a solid half of the overall game and it’s an important part of the discussion.

@Ratherin-crusader-strike

What does that have to do with anything about OP’s complaints?

In the context of the discussion, it was mentioned that a lot of this content was never the point of playing the game. I’m saying that there were a ton of people that played specifically for those pieces of content. Again, using PvP as a primary example here.

[Chànel-whisperwind]

Let me guess… More engaging for you is repeating the same instances until… what?

[Pulemy-windseeker]

yea that sucked and made people quit as soon as they had to start grinding conquest instead of honor.

[Dramatically-kilrogg]

Cause its true

[Katarn-proudmoore]

Like alts didn’t exist in vanilla?

[Sabbia-moonrunner (Sabbia)]

@Katarn-proudmoore

Like alts didn’t exist in vanilla

Had to power level my Warrior to raid AQ and Naxx back in Vanilla because the guild didn’t need any Paladins. God, what a nightmare that was, including the gearing that had to happen right after lol.

[Katarn-proudmoore]

Oh yes, I remember those days too. I never did original Naxx, but I know how crazy other guilds were to get all the rep and would grind like crazy

[Tassien-proudmoore]

The game has always had some degree of competitiveness with Arena, but I think it just reeeeeally got crazy with it when they added Mythic+. Completely changed dungeons from more of an RPG experience to a competitive experience. Even when dungeons are designed now they have to be done with competitive gameplay in mind.

[Katarn-proudmoore]

The competitiveness was always there long before arena was even in the game. Guilds use to compete against each other back in BLW all the time back in vanilla

[Critswalkin-cenarius (Critswalkin)]

Race for world first existed all the way back in Vanilla.