+2s? Oh hell no! Why should I have to do group content at all? I should be able to spam WQs until I’m in full 252 gear.
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I am of an inferior caste of people, one who does not do mythic +15s or mythics at all, or dungeons barely at all, who never raids not even LFR yet, who has never opened a great vault reward, who only PVPs while leveling because at max level I know I’ll get owned by people with superior gear and presumably skill and experience at max level pvp. As an inferior caste of people in the WoW caste based society I do not deserve equal gear to PVP in at max level, apparently, and that’s how it’s always been in WoW, there are other games such as Heroes of the Storm or League of Legends or Hearthstone for me to play if I am entertaining the notion of competing without first preparing and walking the path towards gearing up to enter the hard content.
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The problem with your sentiment is WoW’s core. Gear is often the bulk of their reward structure, no matter what you do.
Locking the sole avenue of character progression behind varying difficulties of specific types of content makes an empty-feeling game for anyone not climbing the ladder.
Luckily that isn’t exactly the case. I believe if you keep working on Korthia you can get your gear to a heroic raid ilvl. Not mythic, but the step below.
My issue with that feature, personally, is that it creates a feeling of a very small game. I wish the other 4 environments, LFR and LFD environments added to the experience.
I’m not sure why anyone would want “the best” gear without needing it, honestly. Maybe if we had something casual that benefitted from better gear, but I’m already facerolling the world with the gear I got from the base Korthia cutoff.
I think we just need something more than ilvl to be our casual carrot. Collectibles are this, usually, but even those are getting updated less frequently and TBH our mount collections are growing enormous.
I hope they try to figure this out.
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Exactly the only people that disagree don’t want a healthy competitive game. They are the Elistist jerks holding the game back. There should be a gearing path for everyone. This games growth has been severely stunted by this strange Elitist attitude. I don’t get it honestly but I do know it has to stop if the game is going to flourish again.
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yep, and I think that’s perfectly fine. but I think players should actually have to do challenging content to get the best gear.
I saw you talking about this in another thread, and I agree that they are very disjointed from one another. LFD (random queued heroics) is basically useless, as is LFR if I’m being honest, becuase it’s outclassed by korthia gear.
I also think that locking korthia gear behind tier 6 rep is a bit much, basically makes it useless as a catch up mechanic on alts. sorry, game devs, I’m not rep grinding on alts.
what isn’t a healthy game is handing someone who does the hardest content the same reward as someone who logs in and smacks a few boars around.
pull up your big boy pants and actually do hard content if you want the best gear.
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Lol…what?
It is literally impossible for Blizz to become “the next Wildstar”
Gear should be earned.
If you have 252s, it should be for doing the most difficult content, the highest M+, the best PvP rating, and Mythic raids.
If you do none of those things you should be content with not getting those rewards.
I ski in the winter, doesn’t mean I expect to be able to get an olympic gold medal for it.
And when I say difficult, I don’t mean time-consuming. Doing 200 +2’s for a 252 is not the sort of thing this game should have.
What is this?
Get the reward and then do the content?
It’s not the devs that are backwards.
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he’s been on this kick for a few weeks. it’s kind of cute.
in that annoying neighbor kid that won’t go away kind of way.
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Lmao! That’s hilarious…oh wait, you arnt serious right? Omg that’s even funnier if you were serious
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Let me ask you something.
What would you do with the gear once you got it? Is actually pursuing tiny ilvl upgrades over time enticing to you?
I’ll argue that a system like Artifact Power in Legion would be more beneficial to the way we play the game than anything like a slow crawl to the mythic raid ilvl. I know a lot of people didn’t like it, but I think a lot of us are missing the feeling of it. The steady power progression from just playing the game however you chose, from pet battles to invasions and even from challenging content.
I believe you’re just missing a feeling of character progression that has been in our face since MoP, and that’s warforging/titanforging. Before that it was badges. Now we have absolutely nothing like it, and we don’t even have the slow trickle of AP to feel like we’re getting anywhere.
I believe a lot more people are missing those systems than would lead you to believe.
But if they gave us a way to snag mythic raid gear as a world quest hero, all that would do would devalue the gear. Although maybe the gear should lose some value? I’m kinda put off by a measly number (ilvl) being the primary reward for things. Why is that number prestigious?
Once upon a time there were armor sets that were prestigious, or other visual clues that “hey, this person earned something.”
Now we’re fighting over a slight number variance in an expansion that adds, like, 4 armor sets to a raid and recycles the same dungeon gear as a reward for two years straight.
But I can’t spray OP with a hose until he leaves
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I do agree the pvp gearing system is garbage and has been since they reworked it in Legion… the gearing system from wotlk - WoD worked very well. Why change something that isn’t broken? No one asked for it to be changed.
But pve… no one is saying don’t gear up in m+ lol. In the pug world yes it can be very hard to get in groups, but as a dps you gotta understand when you queue for someone’s group, you’re queuing against 10+ people that are likely higher ilvl.
And if you’re tryna tank, no one wants a low ilvl tank.
This is why you just run your own keys… it’s a very simple concept really.
Also you can yenno, you can join a decent active guild. This makes finding m+ Groups much easier, and also raiding guilds are huge for gearing up.
If you’re just doing m+ only, or raids only it’s gonna take forever. You need to be doing both … a.k.a you need to actually play the game lol.
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you’re talking about the consequences of decisions you make, which has absolutely nothing to do with caste
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Since I have to spell it out for it’s pvp.
Random bgs are no fun when someone one shots you for being good in pve.
Makes no sense.
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Layer 12’s can be done in the 230s hell most of my flawless were in the 230s on layer 12 solo…
Ilvl matters not when you get good powers, that’s all Torghast is… good powers = LOL
Well… perhaps there are not many or any other people that suffer from the same issues I suffer. You don’t know me and I don’t know you so I’ll just shut up; anyway if I described what is bothering me I would get the post deleted by mods because it would be “inappropriate” so never mind.
Fun, yea I enjoy playing the game.
Easy, Yea Korthia gear is easy to get and pretty easy to hit 220 on a full set. Getting all of it to 233 will require some effort but then again, so does anything else with rewards at that level.
Attainable, Yea its there, go get it. Of course your not going to get every piece you want in a single run. But when was that ever a thing? It took me weeks to get the bow and staff out of Dragonsoul for my hunter.
Lets say you could just get the best gear in game for a cookie, then what?
What reason would you have to keep playing?
Do you see?
I don’t care about PvP 
Gear has always been king there, as far as I can recall, and this has never been the game for someone who just wants to PvP. It’s a side activity at best.
I agree, PvP participation was at an all time high in MoP for a reason and it was due to accessibility of gearing.
This “Participation trophy” mentality is hilarious to see when it comes to casual content which is where the trouble is in the first place. People SHOULD NOT have to be glad players to have fun after work in a random BG which isn’t rated content.
The Dev team focuses too much on borrowed power and gate keeping systems that people are just getting tired of at this point. I don’t blame them, it’s been 3 expansions since they’ve removed what worked in WoD.
They shouldn’t have touched PvP Gearing.
[EDIT]: OP your thread is good, but I feel your first mistake was posting it in GD since many PvE players tend to think they’re too good for that “Side Game”
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